Football Kaepernick pulls a Steve Bono

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-07-2013, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

He'll last as long as his legs hold up. If he loses his ability to be a dual threat, he will quickly become an average QB.

Dude, the guy is 6'5, 240 pounds. Do you know difficult it would be to bring him down? He's like a young, athletic Ben Rothlisberger but with a better arm and faster.

**LoneWolf** · 07-07-2013, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dude, the guy is 6'5, 240 pounds. Do you know difficult it would be to bring him down? He's like a young, athletic Ben Rothlisberger but with a better arm and faster.

What does this have to do with my claim? If Kaepernick can't run, he would fall into the category of average QB. Yes, he's got a great arm, but he's never proven to be able to throw with exceptional touch or accuracy and he has never proven to be overly adept at reading defenses.

Jamarcus Russell was big and had a big arm, but it takes more than that. I'm not saying the Kaepernick would be Russell if he couldn't run, but he would definitely never be an elite QB without the ability to run.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-07-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

What does this have to do with my claim? If Kaepernick can't run, he would fall into the category of average QB. Yes, he's got a great arm, but he's never proven to be able to throw with exceptional touch or accuracy and he has never proven to be overly adept at reading defenses.

Jamarcus Russell was big and had a big arm, but it takes more than that. I'm not saying the Kaepernick would be Russell if he couldn't run, but he would definitely never be an elite QB without the ability to run.

First off, he's 23 years old. He's not 33 years old and on the verge of breaking down (like Rothlisberger). As big, fast and mobile as he is, it's going to take a helluva defense and an elite defender in order to knock him out permanently.

The guy isn't RGIII, who's only 6'2 210 pounds. He's 6'5, 240 and he's got plenty of room on his frame to grow. He's not Russell Wilson, who's 5'11.

BIG difference.

And you have no idea who good of a passer he'll become because he's only appeared in less than a dozen games and with crap wide receivers to boot.

Marcellus · 07-07-2013, 11:50 AM

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And you have no idea who good of a passer he'll become because he's only appeared in less than a dozen games and with crap wide receivers to boot.

This is true but I think he could also end up like a Vick type player and his passing never really develop once the wheels slow down.

I personally think he takes a big step backwards this year. Teams will figure out a way to make him pass and if he cant do that consistently he is going to have issues and he showed a big propensity to turn the ball over.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-07-2013, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is true but I think he could also end up like a Vick type player and his passing never really develop once the wheels slow down.

That's pure, unadulterated speculation.

Was Michael Vick 6'5, 240 pounds at age 23? Did Michael Vick just lead his team to the Super Bowl at age 23? Did Michael Vick throw for more than 1,800 yards, 10 TD's and 3 INT's in half a season, then lead his team to a Super Bowl?

The only comparison that should be made to Vick is skin color. Kaepernick is closer to Steve Young, although he's far more developed than Young. It took Young six years in the USFL and NFL to rival Kaepernick's half a season.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I personally think he takes a big step backwards this year. Teams will figure out a way to make him pass and if he cant do that consistently he is going to have issues and he showed a big propensity to turn the ball over.

No way. If there's one team that can stop him, it's the Seattle Seahawks, because they have a truly elite defense. But teams aren't just going to make him look like Matt Cassel because game film exists. Game film existed last year and people couldn't stop him.

Marcellus · 07-07-2013, 12:04 PM

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That's pure, unadulterated speculation.

Was Michael Vick 6'5, 240 pounds at age 23? Did Michael Vick just lead his team to the Super Bowl at age 23? Did Michael Vick throw for more than 1,800 yards, 10 TD's and 3 INT's in half a season, then lead his team to a Super Bowl?

Not speculation, Kap is going to turn the ball over, wait and see.

I also find it interesting that the 49ers defense "led" the team to within 1 play of the SB but Kap "led" the team to the SB last year with that same if not better defense.

I know dude is mega talented no denying it but he just about ****ed himself into a corner before they made the SB and then probably cost them the SB.

Rather than compare him to Vick I would say he is more Cam Newton like. Not sure what the ceiling is there.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-07-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Not speculation, Kap is going to turn the ball over, wait and see.

That's not speculation? Good God, have you lost your mind?

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I also find it interesting that the 49ers defense "led" the team to within 1 play of the SB but Kap "led" the team to the SB last year with that same if not better defense.

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I know dude is mega talented no denying it but he just about ****ed himself into a corner before they made the SB and then probably cost them the SB.

What? Almost cost them the Super Bowl? Your football acumen, seriously, it like a 2 on a scale of 100.

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Rather than compare him to Vick I would say he is more Cam Newton like. Not sure what the ceiling is there.

The crazy thing is that Cam Newton hasn't even begun to reach his potential because like Kaep, he's had exactly ONE wide receiver, a broken down 32 year old, no TE, broken RB's and a bad head coach.

Yet, he's still provided 40 TD's through the air and another 22 TD's on the ground. If he played for Baltimore, they'd go 19-0. If he played for Seattle, they'd go 19-0. Instead, he plays for a shit team that's gone 7-9 in consecutive seasons.

His ceiling is so high it can't be seen.

**LoneWolf** · 07-07-2013, 11:56 AM

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First off, he's 23 years old. He's not 33 years old and on the verge of breaking down (like Rothlisberger). As big, fast and mobile as he is, it's going to take a helluva defense and an elite defender in order to knock him out permanently.

The guy isn't RGIII, who's only 6'2 210 pounds. He's 6'5, 240 and he's got plenty of room on his frame to grow. He's not Russell Wilson, who's 5'11.

BIG difference.

And you have no idea who good of a passer he'll become because he's only appeared in less than a dozen games and with crap wide receivers to boot.

Again, Dane, I stated he would last as long as his legs held up and after that he would fall back into the average category. I never predicted his getting injured, but it does happen. Being big doesn't make you any less susceptible to a knee injury.

What about my initial claim do you disagree with? Do you think that if Kaepernick lost his exceptional running ability that he would ever be an upper echelon QB? If so, then we disagree, but neither one of us knows if the other is correct.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-07-2013, 12:00 PM

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Again, Dane, I stated he would last as long as his legs held up and after that he would fall back into the average category. I never predicted his getting injured, but it does happen. Being big doesn't make you any less susceptible to a knee injury.

But that's just silly. "Well, if Aaron Rodgers has tears his shoulder, he'll never be the same".

We can do that all day.

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What about my initial claim do you disagree with? Do you think that if Kaepernick lost his exceptional running ability that he would ever be an upper echelon QB?

What about his exceptional arm? The dude is a BEAST. If he hadn't chosen the NFL, he'd be in AA ball right now for a MLB team and if it were a playoff team, it's likely that he'd be called up this year if he could help them.

Again, the guy walked out on the mound two weeks ago and threw an 87 mph strike. And you think the guy won't be an elite passer?

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If so, then we disagree, but neither one of us knows if the other is correct.

Well, I have eleven games and a history of baseball to back me up. You're just speculating.

**LoneWolf** · 07-07-2013, 12:10 PM

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But that's just silly. "Well, if Aaron Rodgers has tears his shoulder, he'll never be the same".

Are you seriously equating a knee injury to a throwing shoulder injury for an NFL quarterback? That would be like comparing a sprained ankle to Tommy John surgery for a MLB pitcher.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-07-2013, 12:17 PM

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Are you seriously equating a knee injury to a throwing shoulder injury for an NFL quarterback? That would be like comparing a sprained ankle to Tommy John surgery for a MLB pitcher.

You're the one that stated that if Kaep's legs were injured, he'd be ineffective as a QB, which is complete speculation, but the same could be said for any QB.

Trent Green wasn't a "Running QB" and it took him the better part of three seasons to be able to plant his foot and throw effectively.