Movies and TV Star Trek Discussion Thread For Those Who Have Seen It - WITH SPOILERS

Frazod · 05-08-2009, 09:15 AM

I hate farting around with the spoiler button, so consider this thread to be one big spoiler. If you haven't seen the movie and want to, stop reading now.

You have been warned.

So, what did you like, or not like? What annoyed you?

Mainly I really enjoyed it. I liked the cast and the ship. Special effects were great. Nimoy was awesome.

Some things that bothered me:

1. I thought Nero was a weak villain. Also, are we really supposed to believe that they just sat there waiting for Spock for 25 years? That's the single dumbest aspect of the movie. Were they playing cards? Knitting? That was dumb. Of course, Star Trek is generally good for a couple of head-scratchers like that.

2. Rather convenient that Scott just happened to be stationed on the ice planet. That was lame. But I do like the way Pegg portrays him.

3. I still can't quite believe they destroyed Vulcan. That's.... damn. I guess we won't be getting a remake of Amok Time.

Vegas_Dave · 05-08-2009, 09:21 AM

Yeah, the whole destrcution of Vulcan really makes me question this one more than anything else. How does that fit in the Star Trek cannon?

Frazod · 05-08-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas_Dave

Yeah, the whole destrcution of Vulcan really makes me question this one more than anything else. How does that fit in the Star Trek cannon?

Well, at the end Spock did say that the survivors were forming a new colony, so I guess they can pass that off as Vulcan.

But the old canon is out the window now. They can do anything or kill off anybody they want to. And of course Kirk is now captain of the Enterprise at age 25 instead of age 34, so that gives them an even wider berth.

I guess that was another thing that bothered me - yeah, he saved Earth, but giving a kid with 3 years enlisted experience command of a ship? Again, I know they had to get the ball rolling, but....

And I hope the next one has Klingons and more one-on-one ship battles.

munkey · 05-08-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

But the old canon is out the window now. They can do anything or kill off anybody they want to. And of course Kirk is now captain of the Enterprise at age 25 instead of age 34, so that gives them an even wider berth.

You know I really didn't even think about that watching the movie...I guess I just expected him to Captain Kirk in the end.

Over all I really enjoyed the movie and it reminded me why we still have theaters as this was the first time in a long time I felt I hadn't wasted my time or money.

I hope Terminator can hold it's own but until it comes out I would expect Trek to make a killing in the next couple of weeks.

munkey · 05-08-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Some things that bothered me:

1. I thought Nero was a weak villain. Also, are we really supposed to believe that they just sat there waiting for Spock for 25 years? That's the single dumbest aspect of the movie. Were they playing cards? Knitting? That was dumb. Of course, Star Trek is generally good for a couple of head-scratchers like that.

Nero reminded of a villain you would see in the next generation series. I suppose they could have made him a little more sinister but I overall liked the fact they concentrated on the main characters instead.

Fish · 05-08-2009, 09:48 AM

Nero was very disappointing. They just didn't even bother with his backstory or anything else that would make you care about him. Very flat character for a super villain. Some of the best super villains are characters you can sorta relate to, but they didn't give us anything with Nero.

The entire "Abandon Kirk on the ice world, conveniently run into Future Spock in an ice cave, more conveniently run into Scotty, beam Kirk and Scotty back to Enterprise" part was probably the most irritating.

And if they kicked Kirk off the ship for insubordination, how is it that he can sneak his way back onto the ship, trick Spock, and get his position right back after breaking the rules? His position in the chain of command should have been voided when he got into trouble...

The relationship between Spock and Uhura bothered me too. I'm not sure exactly why.

Frazod · 05-08-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Nero was very disappointing. They just didn't even bother with his backstory or anything else that would make you care about him. Very flat character for a super villain. Some of the best super villains are characters you can sorta relate to, but they didn't give us anything with Nero.

The entire "Abandon Kirk on the ice world, conveniently run into Future Spock in an ice cave, more conveniently run into Scotty, beam Kirk and Scotty back to Enterprise" part was probably the most irritating.

And if they kicked Kirk off the ship for insubordination, how is it that he can sneak his way back onto the ship, trick Spock, and get his position right back after breaking the rules? His position in the chain of command should have been voided when he got into trouble...

The relationship between Spock and Uhura bothered me too. I'm not sure exactly why.

You needed to pick up the graphic novel/glorified comic book to get Nero's backstory. Knowing that it made his character a bit more understandable, but not much.

And personally, I liked the Spock/Uhura thing, because it surprised me. The commercials led us to believe that it was Kirk and Uhura that would hook up. Nice bait and switch on Abrams' part.

MOhillbilly · 05-08-2009, 09:51 AM

how did vulcan go kapoot?

Frazod · 05-08-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

how did vulcan go kapoot?

The bad guy created a black hole at the planet's core. They show it in one of the commercials.

underEJ · 05-08-2009, 10:06 AM

I loved the Spock/Uhura thing. I never thought I'd say this in a million years, but... Spock was dead sexy.

keg in kc · 05-08-2009, 12:39 PM

I thought it was awesome. And I'm not somebody that thought they could ever pull it off.

Even when Nimoy was onscreen with Quinto, there wasn't a moment in the movie where I thought "this isn't Kirk, Spock, Bones, Uhura, Scotty, Sulu, Chekov, et al". They were who they were, and it never distracted. Quinto in particular surprised me, I don't like him as Syler, but he pulled this role off as well as anyone could have. And Chris Pine is Kirk now. Hell, he was Kirk the first second he was onscreen. Maybe not exactly the same Kirk as Shatner, but he's Kirk in this alternate reality they created.

The action was great, but there were some very moving scenes, giving the film an emotional core.

The only weakness for me were the events in the future. I didn't/don't plan to read the graphic novel, and although I know they had it all planned out, the destruction of Romulus and the conflict between Nero and Classic Spock just felt like an afterthought that they didn't put a whole lot of effort into. Which is where I think the motivational problems with Nero come from. And the convenient placement of Spock and Scotty on the ice planet irked me minutely (along with the rock ewok). But even with that, I think the movie was great. Not good. Great. So good I'm going to see it again.

Oh, and the part at the end when Kirk gets his commission, they lost a number of ships (and captains), and he did prove his muster in combat. I looked at it as accepting his field promotion to first officer, and then he slid into the chair after Pike's promotion. Maybe pushing it, but hey, it's what we wanted to see at the end of the movie, Kirk in the Captain's chair on the Enterprise.

Frazod · 05-08-2009, 12:49 PM

Don't get me wrong - I really enjoyed the movie. The stuff they got right far outweighed the plot holes and stupid shit.

Pants · 05-08-2009, 01:08 PM

The whole time travel aspect killed the whole story for me and the fact that they trivialized it only did further damage. To a ST outsider like me, it's an enjoyable flick and that's about it.

**kysirsoze** · 05-08-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

The whole time travel aspect killed the whole story for me and the fact that they trivialized it only did further damage. To a ST outsider like me, it's an enjoyable flick and that's about it.

The thing that saved the time travel aspect, was that they didn't travel back in time to the same reality. When they went through the black hole, they entered an alternate reality. (This was covered briefly in that scene on the bridge.) In this way it doesn't wreck continuity. It lets them reboot in the context of the rest of the films and shows.

Wrasse · 05-08-2009, 03:10 PM

Just watched it and enjoyed it. I loved the characters and people cast in the roles of the old crew.

Maybe I'm slow here...but how did Nero know where/WHEN to find Spock? If I'm understanding this...the mining ship with Nero AND Spock and his little ship get sucked through the singularity and the mining ship gets transported back in time (thus the alternate time line)...but Spock comes out 25 years later in that same alternate time line? Nero sits and waits...snags Spock and his ship...gathers the blobby singularity goo and wreaks havoc (after stranding old Spock on Hoth 2.0)?

I feel like I'm missing something or have my facts wrong. Please advise.

Good show though...just got done seeing it...just trying to get the time lines correct.

05-08-2009, 09:15 AM
Frazod WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $3125085	Star Trek Discussion Thread For Those Who Have Seen It - WITH SPOILERS I hate farting around with the spoiler button, so consider this thread to be one big spoiler. If you haven't seen the movie and want to, stop reading now. You have been warned. So, what did you like, or not like? What annoyed you? Mainly I really enjoyed it. I liked the cast and the ship. Special effects were great. Nimoy was awesome. Some things that bothered me: 1. I thought Nero was a weak villain. Also, are we really supposed to believe that they just sat there waiting for Spock for 25 years? That's the single dumbest aspect of the movie. Were they playing cards? Knitting? That was dumb. Of course, Star Trek is generally good for a couple of head-scratchers like that. 2. Rather convenient that Scott just happened to be stationed on the ice planet. That was lame. But I do like the way Pegg portrays him. 3. I still can't quite believe they destroyed Vulcan. That's.... damn. I guess we won't be getting a remake of Amok Time.
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05-08-2009, 09:21 AM	#2
Vegas_Dave Veteran Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Casino cash: $2084720	Yeah, the whole destrcution of Vulcan really makes me question this one more than anything else. How does that fit in the Star Trek cannon? __________________ Lastly, Redrum_69:
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05-08-2009, 09:48 AM	#6
Fish Ain't no relax! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2278919	Nero was very disappointing. They just didn't even bother with his backstory or anything else that would make you care about him. Very flat character for a super villain. Some of the best super villains are characters you can sorta relate to, but they didn't give us anything with Nero. The entire "Abandon Kirk on the ice world, conveniently run into Future Spock in an ice cave, more conveniently run into Scotty, beam Kirk and Scotty back to Enterprise" part was probably the most irritating. And if they kicked Kirk off the ship for insubordination, how is it that he can sneak his way back onto the ship, trick Spock, and get his position right back after breaking the rules? His position in the chain of command should have been voided when he got into trouble... The relationship between Spock and Uhura bothered me too. I'm not sure exactly why. __________________
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05-08-2009, 12:39 PM	#11
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I thought it was awesome. And I'm not somebody that thought they could ever pull it off. Even when Nimoy was onscreen with Quinto, there wasn't a moment in the movie where I thought "this isn't Kirk, Spock, Bones, Uhura, Scotty, Sulu, Chekov, et al". They were who they were, and it never distracted. Quinto in particular surprised me, I don't like him as Syler, but he pulled this role off as well as anyone could have. And Chris Pine is Kirk now. Hell, he was Kirk the first second he was onscreen. Maybe not exactly the same Kirk as Shatner, but he's Kirk in this alternate reality they created. The action was great, but there were some very moving scenes, giving the film an emotional core. The only weakness for me were the events in the future. I didn't/don't plan to read the graphic novel, and although I know they had it all planned out, the destruction of Romulus and the conflict between Nero and Classic Spock just felt like an afterthought that they didn't put a whole lot of effort into. Which is where I think the motivational problems with Nero come from. And the convenient placement of Spock and Scotty on the ice planet irked me minutely (along with the rock ewok). But even with that, I think the movie was great. Not good. Great. So good I'm going to see it again. Oh, and the part at the end when Kirk gets his commission, they lost a number of ships (and captains), and he did prove his muster in combat. I looked at it as accepting his field promotion to first officer, and then he slid into the chair after Pike's promotion. Maybe pushing it, but hey, it's what we wanted to see at the end of the movie, Kirk in the Captain's chair on the Enterprise.
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05-08-2009, 12:49 PM	#12
Frazod WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $3125085	Don't get me wrong - I really enjoyed the movie. The stuff they got right far outweighed the plot holes and stupid shit.
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05-08-2009, 01:08 PM	#13
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05-08-2009, 03:10 PM	#15
Wrasse Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Flower Mound, TX Casino cash: $4583794	Just watched it and enjoyed it. I loved the characters and people cast in the roles of the old crew. Maybe I'm slow here...but how did Nero know where/WHEN to find Spock? If I'm understanding this...the mining ship with Nero AND Spock and his little ship get sucked through the singularity and the mining ship gets transported back in time (thus the alternate time line)...but Spock comes out 25 years later in that same alternate time line? Nero sits and waits...snags Spock and his ship...gathers the blobby singularity goo and wreaks havoc (after stranding old Spock on Hoth 2.0)? I feel like I'm missing something or have my facts wrong. Please advise. Good show though...just got done seeing it...just trying to get the time lines correct.
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