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Old 02-09-2012, 01:22 AM  
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Any Legit ILB's to consider with our first pick?

Just curious if there's a guy, or guys, we could realistically consider at 11/12.

How I see our needs, in order:
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-RT
-NT
-ILB
-RB
- value depth in order (Safety, T, TE, CB)

QB- Well, we are pretty much ****ed at QB unless we do something magical, in which case this prognosticating doesn't mean shit. Outside of the top two, there's a huge drop off.

RT - in the first would royally piss me off. A backup LT would also piss me off here.

NT - As mentioned in other threads, there's not really a NT worth that pick.

ILB- Inside Linebacker makes sense - if there's a good enough player.

RB - Trent Richardson, and only Trent Richardson if we use this spot on a RB.

I really hope we don't draft for depth with our first pick. If we lose Bowe/Carr, then we've got other options to consider with the pick.



So, is there a quality, starting caliber ILB to target here, assuming we stand still?
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:08 AM   #2
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We already have an All Pro and a young ascending player that is only getting better at the spot, so I'll pass on this idea.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:57 AM   #3
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Have to weigh positional value.

ILB in the 3-4 is just about the least important defensive position on the field. So probably not an option at 11.

You do that then you might as well be open to the idea of drafting Centers & Fullbacks with #1s. That's the level it's on.
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Many people claim Luke Kuechly could be one of the only reasonable picks value-wise that we could take at 11/12.

I am not of this persuation, but it does exist.
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:07 PM   #5
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Have to weigh positional value.

ILB in the 3-4 is just about the least important defensive position on the field. So probably not an option at 11.

You do that then you might as well be open to the idea of drafting Centers & Fullbacks with #1s. That's the level it's on.
You have to combine positional value with BPA at a position of need.

It can't be that black and white.

If an ILB happens to rate out as the BPA, and if there is a need, and the talent lvl between he and the next group of guys is that big, then you have to pick him.

I doubt we'll take an ILB @ 11/12 just because I don't think the need is that DIRE, however there is a need there.

We're just one DJ injury away from having one of the worst 34 ILB groups in the league.

Belcher is solid but average, and there is nothing behind him and DJ.

If the Chiefs elected to take the top ILB there, I would welcome the pick.
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:40 PM   #6
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In the OP you admit that ILB is not our top priority. I would put it even lower than that if Belcher is resigned. If we decide not to sign Belcher because we can upgrade the position, Kuechly might be best available athlete as well. The only other choice would be Hightower who is probably a reach this high.
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In the OP you admit that ILB is not our top priority. I would put it even lower than that if Belcher is resigned. If we decide not to sign Belcher because we can upgrade the position, Kuechly might be best available athlete as well. The only other choice would be Hightower who is probably a reach this high.
It'd be pretty dumb to not resign Belcher considering he's only a RFA. Even if they want to replace him, he'd be a good cheap depth option.
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It'd be pretty dumb to not resign Belcher considering he's only a RFA. Even if they want to replace him, he'd be a good cheap depth option.
They've already signed Siler if its depth you are looking at.
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:29 PM   #9
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They've already signed Siler if its depth you are looking at.
oh yes! Forgot about the wild card.... hope he comes back from his injury alright.
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Might as well pick DeCastro. Once in a lifetime prospect. You guys drool over the NT from Washington... in the 2nd.... watch Stanford V Washington and watch your NT of the future get his shit pushed in for a full 60 mintues.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:23 PM   #11
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Just curious if there's a guy, or guys, we could realistically consider at 11/12.

How I see our needs, in order:
-QB
-RT
-NT
-ILB
-RB
- value depth in order (Safety, T, TE, CB)

QB- Well, we are pretty much ****ed at QB unless we do something magical, in which case this prognosticating doesn't mean shit. Outside of the top two, there's a huge drop off.

RT - in the first would royally piss me off. A backup LT would also piss me off here.

NT - As mentioned in other threads, there's not really a NT worth that pick.

ILB- Inside Linebacker makes sense - if there's a good enough player.

RB - Trent Richardson, and only Trent Richardson if we use this spot on a RB.

I really hope we don't draft for depth with our first pick. If we lose Bowe/Carr, then we've got other options to consider with the pick.



So, is there a quality, starting caliber ILB to target here, assuming we stand still?
Nice post, I agree 100%.

We'll see, but I think Luke Kuechly, ILB/Boston College would be a great pick in the first and Dontari Poe, NT/Memphis or Alameda Ta'amu, NT/Washington in the second would be awesome for our defense. Kuechly is a beast who seems like he is in on every single tackle. He had a game with 20 freaking tackles and FF...in one game. We would have a very dominate defense.

Trent Richardson in the first and Coby Fleener, TE/Stanford in the second could be good for an offense in some need, and able to helpout on 3rd down.
With Tony M coming back there will probably always be questions if he can stay healthy, plus no depth. This gives us a two headed monster at RB and TE to go along with Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin. Throw in McCluster and try and hold back the chills.
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Might as well pick DeCastro. Once in a lifetime prospect. You guys drool over the NT from Washington... in the 2nd.... watch Stanford V Washington and watch your NT of the future get his shit pushed in for a full 60 mintues.
DeCastro is a stud. I also like Peter Konz, C/Wisconsin. Trade down, pick DeCastro in the first and Peter Konz in the 2nd.

You never know, Jonathan Martin *maybe* just might still there at 11. That would be a good pickup as well.
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Old 02-09-2012, 10:08 PM   #13
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DeCastro is a stud. I also like Peter Konz, C/Wisconsin. Trade down, pick DeCastro in the first and Peter Konz in the 2nd.

You never know, Jonathan Martin *maybe* just might still there at 11. That would be a good pickup as well.
Martin would equal a trade partner. Trade down and get pics. I am not sold on RGIII let alone the guys underneath him. Richardson being there when we pick= lottery. Be nice to have him, but he isnt the once in a lifetime prospect DeCastro is.


Shitty time to need a QB. We will be too healthy next year to be able to trade up.
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Trent Richardson would be ok with me, not ideal, but if he's the BPA then do it I guess. What if Charles can't rebound, the guy is a big time playmaker and if Charles can come back 100%, WOW watch out.

ILB wouldn't be bad either, a true stud next to DJ, Belcher is solid but an upgrade could be useful.

CB if we can't resign Carr, if there is any worth the pick, i don't really know.

But mostly, I want to trade up for RG3
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Trent Richardson would be ok with me, not ideal, but if he's the BPA then do it I guess. What if Charles can't rebound, the guy is a big time playmaker and if Charles can come back 100%, WOW watch out.

ILB wouldn't be bad either, a true stud next to DJ, Belcher is solid but an upgrade could be useful.

CB if we can't resign Carr, if there is any worth the pick, i don't really know.

But mostly, I want to trade up for RG3

Cleveland has the market on trading up. No way we dont resign Carr... NE drafted CB after CB to find a Carr. No way PIOLI lets one get away.
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