Chiefs Why does this team fail to show up? - Page 2

CoMoChief · 09-18-2012, 12:02 AM

Is Cassel the root of the problem here?

If this team gets down a couple scores, does this team quit because they know who's playing behind center?

I mean lets face it. Regardless of what the PR dept at 1 Arrowhead Drive tells the players to say in interviews, you can't honestly sit here any believe players like Bowe, Charles, Berry, Hali and DJ think Cassel can lead this team?

These guys have all been around football their entire lives. They see other QB's around the league the how they play on the field in live action on the other sidelines. Do they like Cassel, or do they think he's a nice guy? I'm sure they do. But in this league being a nice guy and hard worker isn't going to cut it. You have to lead by example for anyone to respect you. I don't think players respected Haley because he was an asshole who never playrd the game at a high level. He ****ing played golf and was silver spooned inot the NFL.

Cassel craps his pants on a game by game basis. Players around the league know this. Coaches know this. Are we really that naive to think his own teammates don't think this? Why do you think Bowe held out for so long? Because he thinks our passing game is shit without him. In many ways he's right. If Drew Brees was our QB...someone that can drive an offense downfield and carry a team on his back to where losing Bowe wouldn't result our offense skipping a beat, he'd have less leverage and he probably wouldn't have held out as long knowing that he would be easily replaced and the wheels on the offense would keep turning.

I mean the guy was given a contract that he never earned, and was given by his buddy from New England, meanwhile we let a guy like Carr walk, someone who had worked his ass off and made a name for himself in this league as a 5th round draft choice. I know you can't keep everyone in today's NFL but what does that tell the rest of the locker room? Sigh....I'm done ranting....this is going to be a long terrible depressing week.

I really hate it when the Chiefs lose...especially on Mondays at work. The day just sucks overall. What I hate even more is when they complete get blown out by (what seem to be) inferior teams, and then the Chiefs players turn around and tell reporters at the end of the game "Well we didn't show up today." Well....WHY THE **** NOT?!?! I mean I knew ATL was going to be a loss in the opener with the injuries we had on defense, particularly in the secondary, but ****ing Buffalo, especially after what they did to the Chiefs last season in the home opener? You'd think the players would have a big chip on their shoulder from last season and would want some kind of revenge. Nope...not this team. You could see it on the sidelines and even when they first came out of the locker room. Stone cold faces...deer in the headlights kind if looks. This team has zero mental toughness and once they get down...that's it. You can almost bet that 14-0 will turn into 28-0 before no time because this team gives the **** up too early.

Does that fall on the head coach. I'm sure some of it does to say the least...but is it also because the players think that Cassel is not the man for the job? Shit even as fans we can see this. And while some of us may not be very well versed in the x's and o's of the game, we all know a horrible QB when we see one, and it doesn't take someone who coaches at the NFL level to figure that out.

**New World Order** · 09-18-2012, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gold_and_red

This can also be viewed as lack of leadership. Cassel is a wannabe leader, but nobody on the team gives a rat's a** about his presence.
Have you ever seen the offense huddling on the sidelines trying to make things better? They go through the motions, then Cassel tries to put his hat on alone having that "I am grading out really well" look and nobody else within sight....

No one respects Cassel on the team, does anyone have that Tamba Hali quote about Kyle Orton last year, it was about how he appreciated having a qb that could extend drives.

gold_and_red · 09-18-2012, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

No.

The personnel on this defense is actually quite good. There is a lot of guys on this roster who have shown flashes and who have played hard.

The base 34 scheme sucks for defending the modern offense in the NFL.

Everyone around here bitched like Kim Kardashian on the rag about the "spread offense" two years ago, but, like I said, it's the wave, and the NFL will be riding it sooner rather than later. The base 34 isn't a good defense to defend against a no huddle spread and the Chiefs are showing why.

Now, at this point, I don't care.

I hope they tank the season, get Geno Smith as their first round draft pick and convince Urban Meyer to come coach the team.

With those two guys, this team can be competitive immediately.

We can't seem to stop anybody, let alone a high flying spread offense.
Week 1 it is the stud WRs and Matt Ryan against a depleted secondary, Week 2 we can't stop the run, so where is the issue again? Every week it is a new problem..I am just tired of this BS!!

el borracho · 09-18-2012, 05:24 AM

Why does this team fail to show up?

1. No quaterback
2. No head coach

InChiefsHeaven · 09-18-2012, 05:31 AM

There are no leaders on the team. Period. Not amongst the players and not amongst the coaches. No passion, no spirit. They look flat the moment they run out on the field. You could see it in pre-season and just like the shitty play, the shitty attitude has carried over into the regular season...

**Rausch** · 09-18-2012, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Is Cassel the root of the problem here?

If this team gets down a couple scores, does this team quit because they know who's playing behind center?

Did you see the way the Donks defense stepped it up in the 4th because they KNEW if they got him the ball back he could win?

Well, Imagine the opposite. Imagine a team knowing their efforts are fruitless. Unless THEY score there is no come back.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-18-2012, 06:02 AM

I hate Cassel, but how can anyone say it's the quarterback and not coaching?

Over the last 20 years, the hardest fought game I have ever seen the Chiefs play was their effort against the Steelers in a loss last year. Despite horrendous play from the QB, they battled and fought. Sorry, but if you can motivate yourself behind Palko, you can motivate yourself behind anyone.

The team is soft. Some of us called that a long time ago when Romeo was hired. Romeo doesn't make players want to hit people. He values the film room more than the weight room. He's not going to demand focus from players. He's not going to pump a team up. He is too quiet to be taken seriously when he's angry. He is the ultimate player's coach.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-18-2012, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I posted some info yesterday that I thought more about earlier today.

Is it just a coincidence that Romeo started calling his defense more aggressively once Cassel got hurt last year, or is he actively trying to put Cassel in position to fail by giving up early points and getting him out of his comfort zone?

Last year, he did the same thing while Cassel was out there.

I don't think it's a coincidence that his defense came alive when Cassels hand broke.

No. This is way off as a conspiracy theory.

Romeo knows how much is at stake for him. He knows he has a really, really bad reputation as a head coach. He's not going to sabotage it by taking what was deemed to be a division-winner favorite just to get his way at QB. And at the age of 70, he's not going to want to spend this year on project QBs. He needs to win now.

**Rausch** · 09-18-2012, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No. This is way off as a conspiracy theory.

Romeo knows how much is at stake for him. He knows he has a really, really bad reputation as a head coach. He's not going to sabotage it by taking what was deemed to be a division-winner favorite just to get his way at QB. And at the age of 70, he's not going to want to spend this year on project QBs. He needs to win now.

I don't know what the reason is but his defense is night and day different from last year...

Aspengc8 · 09-18-2012, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

No.

The personnel on this defense is actually quite good. There is a lot of guys on this roster who have shown flashes and who have played hard.

The base 34 scheme sucks for defending the modern offense in the NFL.

Everyone around here bitched like Kim Kardashian on the rag about the "spread offense" two years ago, but, like I said, it's the wave, and the NFL will be riding it sooner rather than later. The base 34 isn't a good defense to defend against a no huddle spread and the Chiefs are showing why.

Now, at this point, I don't care.

I hope they tank the season, get Geno Smith as their first round draft pick and convince Urban Meyer to come coach the team.

With those two guys, this team can be competitive immediately.

Your confusing 'spread offense' with just spreading the field. NFL offenses have always taken advantage of 4 & 5WR sets to spread the field, ala air raid.

The 'spread offense' uses 3 & 4WR packages to spread the D out in order to create running lanes for the QB/RB read option.

Black Bob · 09-18-2012, 06:45 AM

It's all of the above but mostly the players imo. We have a whole bunch of lazy asses who could care less about winning. There is very little leadership on the field. It's time to clean house imo.

BoneKrusher · 09-18-2012, 06:48 AM

they always miss the "Hey Ho, Let's Go Bus"?

**the Talking Can** · 09-18-2012, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I posted some info yesterday that I thought more about earlier today.

Is it just a coincidence that Romeo started calling his defense more aggressively once Cassel got hurt last year, or is he actively trying to put Cassel in position to fail by giving up early points and getting him out of his comfort zone?

Last year, he did the same thing while Cassel was out there.

I don't think it's a coincidence that his defense came alive when Cassels hand broke.

this is really stupid, stop saying it

htismaqe · 09-18-2012, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8

Your confusing 'spread offense' with just spreading the field. NFL offenses have always taken advantage of 4 & 5WR sets to spread the field, ala air raid.

The 'spread offense' uses 3 & 4WR packages to spread the D out in order to create running lanes for the QB/RB read option.

This, kind of.

The NFL has always used sets to create favorable WR matchups.

The actual spread offense not only uses multi-WR sets but it also SPACES THE LINEMEN to create running lanes for the read option.

People always talk about spread QBs and how they can't translate to the NFL. The dirtier secret is how many spread linemen make it in the NFL. Just take a look at some of the true spread teams and how many linemen they produce.

htismaqe · 09-18-2012, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

It's all of the above but mostly the players imo. We have a whole bunch of lazy asses who could care less about winning. There is very little leadership on the field. It's time to clean house imo.

Just goes to show you can sleep off sambuca but you can't sleep off stupid.

Black Bob · 09-18-2012, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Just goes to show you can sleep off sambuca but you can't sleep off stupid.

You don't quit where I come from. It's not OK. None of us should invest in a team that doesn't care about playing hard for us.

09-18-2012, 12:02 AM
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8052254	Why does this team fail to show up? Is Cassel the root of the problem here? If this team gets down a couple scores, does this team quit because they know who's playing behind center? I mean lets face it. Regardless of what the PR dept at 1 Arrowhead Drive tells the players to say in interviews, you can't honestly sit here any believe players like Bowe, Charles, Berry, Hali and DJ think Cassel can lead this team? These guys have all been around football their entire lives. They see other QB's around the league the how they play on the field in live action on the other sidelines. Do they like Cassel, or do they think he's a nice guy? I'm sure they do. But in this league being a nice guy and hard worker isn't going to cut it. You have to lead by example for anyone to respect you. I don't think players respected Haley because he was an asshole who never playrd the game at a high level. He **ing played golf and was silver spooned inot the NFL. Cassel craps his pants on a game by game basis. Players around the league know this. Coaches know this. Are we really that naive to think his own teammates don't think this? Why do you think Bowe held out for so long? Because he thinks our passing game is shit without him. In many ways he's right. If Drew Brees was our QB...someone that can drive an offense downfield and carry a team on his back to where losing Bowe wouldn't result our offense skipping a beat, he'd have less leverage and he probably wouldn't have held out as long knowing that he would be easily replaced and the wheels on the offense would keep turning. I mean the guy was given a contract that he never earned, and was given by his buddy from New England, meanwhile we let a guy like Carr walk, someone who had worked his ass off and made a name for himself in this league as a 5th round draft choice. I know you can't keep everyone in today's NFL but what does that tell the rest of the locker room? Sigh....I'm done ranting....this is going to be a long terrible depressing week. I really hate it when the Chiefs lose...especially on Mondays at work. The day just sucks overall. What I hate even more is when they complete get blown out by (what seem to be) inferior teams, and then the Chiefs players turn around and tell reporters at the end of the game "Well we didn't show up today." Well....WHY THE NOT?!?! I mean I knew ATL was going to be a loss in the opener with the injuries we had on defense, particularly in the secondary, but ing Buffalo, especially after what they did to the Chiefs last season in the home opener? You'd think the players would have a big chip on their shoulder from last season and would want some kind of revenge. Nope...not this team. You could see it on the sidelines and even when they first came out of the locker room. Stone cold faces...deer in the headlights kind if looks. This team has zero mental toughness and once they get down...that's it. You can almost bet that 14-0 will turn into 28-0 before no time because this team gives the ** up too early. Does that fall on the head coach. I'm sure some of it does to say the least...but is it also because the players think that Cassel is not the man for the job? Shit even as fans we can see this. And while some of us may not be very well versed in the x's and o's of the game, we all know a horrible QB when we see one, and it doesn't take someone who coaches at the NFL level to figure that out.
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09-18-2012, 05:24 AM	#18
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09-18-2012, 05:31 AM	#19
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $3874937	There are no leaders on the team. Period. Not amongst the players and not amongst the coaches. No passion, no spirit. They look flat the moment they run out on the field. You could see it in pre-season and just like the shitty play, the shitty attitude has carried over into the regular season... __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2104497	I hate Cassel, but how can anyone say it's the quarterback and not coaching? Over the last 20 years, the hardest fought game I have ever seen the Chiefs play was their effort against the Steelers in a loss last year. Despite horrendous play from the QB, they battled and fought. Sorry, but if you can motivate yourself behind Palko, you can motivate yourself behind anyone. The team is soft. Some of us called that a long time ago when Romeo was hired. Romeo doesn't make players want to hit people. He values the film room more than the weight room. He's not going to demand focus from players. He's not going to pump a team up. He is too quiet to be taken seriously when he's angry. He is the ultimate player's coach.
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09-18-2012, 06:45 AM	#25
Black Bob Veteran Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Mohawk Town Casino cash: $10004900	It's all of the above but mostly the players imo. We have a whole bunch of lazy asses who could care less about winning. There is very little leadership on the field. It's time to clean house imo.
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