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**Iowanian** · 10-05-2011, 02:30 PM

How is this not a topic of discussion on a KC message board?

**bevischief** · 10-26-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

If my child were missing, I'd do anything the police asked to help find her.

Want an interview, DNA, description of my activities? No problem. Want interviews on media? No problem, tell me what to say. Need me, call my new cell phone at this number, because I'll be out looking.

I'd do about anything to bring my kid home safely.

These people seemed pretty believable to me early on...now, something at least appears fishy. they sure act like they're hiding something.

I have thought that there was something wrong with the story from the beginning.

**doomy3** · 10-26-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

I'll respect that and not ask more.

I just can't imagine that with the fingers this community has, volume of people, spectrum of professions, lifestyles and class, that someone doesn't work with them, know them, their brothers, sisters or for all I know is the lead investigator on the case.

If they were innocent and I knew them, I think I'd be inclined to say "you know what, I know these people, I vouch for them as honest and they didn't do it"......but no one has...

I hope the child is alright, but with each day it just seems less likely that this is going to have a happy ending.

Yeah, but that's the problem. Even if someone did know the lead investigator, the police and detectives involved, or the tactical team that has been executing the searches, etc, they couldn't really say anything right now anyway (especially if the feeling from those people were that the parents were guilty, but they were still working on gathering evidence, building a case, charging them, etc.)

**bevischief** · 10-26-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepPurple

My wife watches this story on Headline News everynight, so I pick up on some of it. I haven't heard the answer to a question of mine.

When the mother and her brother went out so she could buy wine, who was watching her kids, or did she leave the three alone with an 8 year old in charge? Seems like child neglect right there.

Personally, I think the brother didn't just drop his sister off at home, but stayed there to drink with her. He could possibly be the man seen carrying a baby at 4am. My wife drinks wine from a box and it's pretty potent, about 10 or 12% alcohol. The mother could of gotten pretty drunk and was agitated by the baby and did something bad and had her brother dispose of the body.

Makes you wonder...

ForeverChiefs58 · 10-26-2011, 01:08 PM

So the family isn't doing interviews cause they want to get paid. ABC sucks for giving vultures like the anthony's all that money.

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -
Three weeks ago, interstate signs blared that a 10-month-old girl was missing from her home.

Kansas City police issued an Amber Alert alerting the two-state region that Lisa Irwin's parents had reported she had been snatched from her Northland home. Twelve hours later, the alert was canceled.

In the ensuing weeks, the case has taken both strange and dramatic twists and turns. The actions of both the parents and the police investigators have been called into question.

Baby Lisa's face beams from the cover of People Magazine. The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children has blanketed Wal-Mart and Sam's Club stores with 6,000 missing person's posters.

The national morning shows regularly do updates on the captivating story. A New York attorney known for representing Joran Van Der Sloot, who was suspected but never faced a jury in connection with American Natalee Holloway who disappeared while vacationing in Aruba, is now representing the infant's parents. A cadaver dog picked up the scent of decomposition inside the bedroom of baby Lisa's parents, according to court documents.

But one unfortunate fact remains. Police apparently are no closer to finding Lisa than they were when her father frantically called 911 about 4 a.m. Oct. 4.

Few facts in the case are certain including when Debbie Bradley last saw her daughter. Some Northland residents claim they saw a tall man carrying a baby wearing only a diaper around the time that Lisa went missing. Baby Lisa has been missing so long that her 11th-month birthday has come and gone.

The girl's parents haven't talked to investigators since Oct. 8. Their New York attorney, Joe Tacopina, said Tuesday that he would only allow the parents to be interviewed again under certain conditions. He said the interviews would have to be done by fair detectives and not in an accusatory manner.

Police reiterated Tuesday that they want to interview the parents and as part of their job must ask tough questions. Some of those questions will involve Bradley's changing timeline of the events that unfolded the night her daughter went missing.

The parents repeatedly voluntarily consented to searches of their home after they reported their daughter missing, but police last week got a judge's permission for a search. Items, including clothing, were taken in that search.

Bradley initially told investigators that she checked on her sleeping daughter about 10:30 p.m. Oct. 3. Subsequently, investigators found a receipt for a Northland grocery store and obtained surveillance video. Bradley bought a box of wine and items for Lisa about 4:45 p.m. Oct. 3. Family members would claim Bradley bought the wine for a family event.

But two weeks after her baby went missing, Bradley would tell the Today Show that she drank enough of that wine that night "to be drunk." She also said she last checked on her baby about 6:40 p.m. Oct. 3, which was about four hours earlier than she had initially said.

Jeremy Irwin wasn't at the home. He did some overnight repairs to a Starbucks in the Northland. He told a 911 dispatcher that he arrived home just before 4 a.m. Oct. 4 and discovered a busted window and his daughter missing. The parents would later say the front door was unlocked, lights were on and their three cell phones were missing.

Police grilled the parents and focused on whether Bradley could have been responsible for the disappearance. Police thought it was unusual that Bradley told the responding officers that she did not look for her daughter behind their home because she, "was afraid of what she might find," according to court documents.

But three hours after Irwin's 911 call, police accepted the couple's story and issued the Amber Alert.

The couple's 8- and 5-year-old sons from separate relationships were home at the time and were subsequently interviewed once by detectives. But the parents have declined to make them available again.

In the ensuing hours after Lisa was reported missing, police repeatedly said the parents were cooperating with investigators. But despite repeated requests, the parents declined to immediately make a public plea for their daughter's return as is typical in missing baby cases. The parents made a public plea the afternoon of Oct. 5 and their first national television appearances on the morning of Oct. 6. They last publicly spoke to local reporters on that day.

That evening, police would announce that the parents were no longer cooperating with detectives and it was hindering the investigation. Bradley and Irwin last spoke to investigators on Oct. 8.

Since then, their only interviews have been with national television networks who have drawn criticism in the past for paying for interviews or paying for licensing rights to videos and photos from those involved in high-profile cases. For example, ABC News paid Casey Anthony and her family $200,000 for videos and photos of Caylee Anthony.

Lisa's parents have twice allowed ABC News cameras into their home on Lister Avenue while NBC News was given access in recent days.

Lisa's parents attended a candlelight vigil for their daughter Sunday night. Bradley said Monday that there is a simple reason why the parents aren't speaking publicly.

"We are grieving," she said.

An anonymous benefactor is paying for the services of Joe Tacopina and Bill Stanton, a former New York police officer who is now a private detective. Both Tacopina and Stanton have stressed in recent days the importance of video from a gas station showing a man walking into woods near Lisa's home in the overnight hours when she went missing.

"Maybe the Kansas City Police Department knows something I don't, and they're doing a fine job, but until I hear more, I still think the assailant, the perpetrator came from outside the home," Stanton told CNN this week.

The department is declining to discuss their investigation other than to say almost 1,000 tips have been processed and some have taken investigators and FBI agents out of the Kansas City area. The Missouri National Guard has even helped look for the baby.

The department's Crimes Against Children unit is overseeing the crime. The unit is within the Special Victims area. Capt. Mark Folsom is the unit's commander.

Folsom was the lead detective in the investigation of the Waldo area rapes that terrorized that neighborhood in 2009 and 2010. Folsom is known as a methodical and tireless detective who is camera shy. The department came under scathing criticism from Waldo area residents and even some council members for not making a quick arrest in the attacks and for seemingly having few leads.

While Folsom and his detectives focused on making an arrest, few details leaked about potential suspects before Bernard Jackson was arrested in May 2010 in connection with a series of Waldo area rapes in the 1980s. Jackson was convicted this summer and sentenced earlier this month to life in prison for those rapes. He is still awaiting trial in connection with charges involving the more recent Waldo rapes.

Bradley has said she expects to be arrested in connection with her daughter's disappearance. Both her and Irwin's family are supporting her and say they hope that police have uncovered more than they are revealing publicly, which was the case in the Waldo area rapes.

Stanton said the investigators have "a thankless job and I think they are heroes." He said it is vital to find the kidnappers and return Lisa to her parents' arms.

"The true bad guy is the person or persons that has done this to this child and I do believe the child is out there alive," Stanton said. "And that's why there is a $100,000 reward. I do believe the child is still out there."

ForeverChiefs58 · 10-26-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepPurple

My wife watches this story on Headline News everynight, so I pick up on some of it. I haven't heard the answer to a question of mine.

When the mother and her brother went out so she could buy wine, who was watching her kids, or did she leave the three alone with an 8 year old in charge? Seems like child neglect right there.

Personally, I think the brother didn't just drop his sister off at home, but stayed there to drink with her. He could possibly be the man seen carrying a baby at 4am. My wife drinks wine from a box and it's pretty potent, about 10 or 12% alcohol. The mother could of gotten pretty drunk and was agitated by the baby and did something bad and had her brother dispose of the body.

I wondered this exact same thing.

**The Franchise** · 10-26-2011, 01:12 PM

If it comes to light that the parents killed their daughter, either on purpose or accidental, and they're using this story to get paid by the news stations.....they should be brought to time square and shot in the head on national TV.

**bevischief** · 10-26-2011, 01:17 PM

The couple's 8- and 5-year-old sons from separate relationships were home at the time and were subsequently interviewed once by detectives. But the parents have declined to make them available again. First time I noticed this. Makes me wonder even more...

Coogs · 10-26-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepPurple

Personally, I think the brother didn't just drop his sister off at home, but stayed there to drink with her. He could possibly be the man seen carrying a baby at 4am. My wife drinks wine from a box and it's pretty potent, about 10 or 12% alcohol. The mother could of gotten pretty drunk and was agitated by the baby and did something bad and had her brother dispose of the body.

I saw on TV a week or so ago that it was the brother who was with her buying wine, BUT... it was a neighbor that was drinking with her. That should be a pretty easy lead to follow up on. And did that neighbor actually see the baby alive or not. Pretty much a yes or no question.

Like I said, I'm beginning to wonder if all of the things like working overtime and getting drunk were just concocted just to cover up for a crime that happened earlier that day or the day before even.

Hawk · 10-26-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bevischief

The couple's 8- and 5-year-old sons from separate relationships were home at the time and were subsequently interviewed once by detectives. But the parents have declined to make them available again. First time I noticed this. Makes me wonder even more...

Much of this makes me wonder, but not this part. They are little kids and were I'm sure asleep during the relevant events. They have nothing useful to tell the cops and would likely be very intimidated and frightened by talking to cops like that. Plus they are easily influenced into saying whatever the cops want them to say. Lots of reasons not to subject your kids to that even if you are innocent (which they are seeming less and less likely to be).

tomahawk kid · 10-26-2011, 01:38 PM

My most recent theory is that the mom drank some box wine and laid down with the baby in her (the mom's) bed.

Mom "fell asleep" and accidentally suffocated the kid. She wakes up, freaks out and dumps the body.

jjjayb · 10-26-2011, 01:47 PM

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A cadaver dog picked up the scent of decomposition inside the bedroom of baby Lisa's parents, according to court documents

I hadn't seen this before.

Coogs · 10-26-2011, 01:54 PM

I wonder about the being drunk part too.

Believe it or not, I have been hammered a time or two myself. Probably to the point she said she was... which was to the point of passing out. Now if she bought the wine after 4:45, she probably wasn't drunk right away. For the sake of the arguement, let's say she was blitzed at 7:00 PM (although I am thinking later based off of other stuff she said). If she was hammered to the point of passing out even at 7:00 PM... at 4:00 AM in the morning she would still not be functioning on all cylinders. I'm sure the cops would have been able to tell if she was hung over... or still a bit drunk.

And I don't mean this to sound bad, but neither one of these two appear intelligent enough to dispose of a body... sober... on short notice before the cops arrived, much less drunk.

And I am not buying that this could have to be why the baby was stolen/kidnapped. I'm thinking something happened earlier, and they are both in on it. Dad worked overtime for the first time ever, and mom got drunk to have alibi's that it could not have been them. Earlier that day they would have had time to drive to Timbucktu and dispose of a body... then come home and proceed with the cover-up.

ForeverChiefs58 · 10-26-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawk

Much of this makes me wonder, but not this part. They are little kids and were I'm sure asleep during the relevant events. They have nothing useful to tell the cops and would likely be very intimidated and frightened by talking to cops like that. Plus they are easily influenced into saying whatever the cops want them to say. Lots of reasons not to subject your kids to that even if you are innocent (which they are seeming less and less likely to be).

No, the mom was the one who said in an interview with Fox that the boys said they heard a noise that night. Megyn Kelly asked her when they heard it and she said she wasn't sure because she didn't want to ask them cause she wanted them out of it.

Coogs · 10-26-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

No, the mom was the one who said in an interview with Fox that the boys said they heard a noise that night. Megyn Kelly asked her when they heard it and she said she wasn't sure because she didn't want to ask them cause she wanted them out of it.

Yep! Again, I think it would be interesting to hear from someone... who is not mom or dad... as to the last exact time that the baby was seen alive.

Hydrae · 10-26-2011, 02:17 PM

A couple of things I notice about timelines and questions raised in this thread.

First, mom was buying wine at 4:45. Someone wanted to know who was watching the kids. I believe dad was still at home and had not left for work. Simple enough.

Second, there is the question of whether dad came home for dinner at 5:30. Pretty sure the story (yeah, I know, that alone raises questions in this case) was that he left for work at 5:00 (right after mom got back from the store with the wine?). if so, he would not have been home for dinner 30 minutes later. So if he came home, it was later in the evening at an unknown time. I would think there may have been a coworker who could corroborate the timing of his being off-site from the repair work at Starbucks.

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10-26-2011, 01:08 PM	#649
ForeverChiefs58 MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $2905326	So the family isn't doing interviews cause they want to get paid. ABC sucks for giving vultures like the anthony's all that money. KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) - Three weeks ago, interstate signs blared that a 10-month-old girl was missing from her home. Kansas City police issued an Amber Alert alerting the two-state region that Lisa Irwin's parents had reported she had been snatched from her Northland home. Twelve hours later, the alert was canceled. In the ensuing weeks, the case has taken both strange and dramatic twists and turns. The actions of both the parents and the police investigators have been called into question. Baby Lisa's face beams from the cover of People Magazine. The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children has blanketed Wal-Mart and Sam's Club stores with 6,000 missing person's posters. The national morning shows regularly do updates on the captivating story. A New York attorney known for representing Joran Van Der Sloot, who was suspected but never faced a jury in connection with American Natalee Holloway who disappeared while vacationing in Aruba, is now representing the infant's parents. A cadaver dog picked up the scent of decomposition inside the bedroom of baby Lisa's parents, according to court documents. But one unfortunate fact remains. Police apparently are no closer to finding Lisa than they were when her father frantically called 911 about 4 a.m. Oct. 4. Few facts in the case are certain including when Debbie Bradley last saw her daughter. Some Northland residents claim they saw a tall man carrying a baby wearing only a diaper around the time that Lisa went missing. Baby Lisa has been missing so long that her 11th-month birthday has come and gone. The girl's parents haven't talked to investigators since Oct. 8. Their New York attorney, Joe Tacopina, said Tuesday that he would only allow the parents to be interviewed again under certain conditions. He said the interviews would have to be done by fair detectives and not in an accusatory manner. Police reiterated Tuesday that they want to interview the parents and as part of their job must ask tough questions. Some of those questions will involve Bradley's changing timeline of the events that unfolded the night her daughter went missing. The parents repeatedly voluntarily consented to searches of their home after they reported their daughter missing, but police last week got a judge's permission for a search. Items, including clothing, were taken in that search. Bradley initially told investigators that she checked on her sleeping daughter about 10:30 p.m. Oct. 3. Subsequently, investigators found a receipt for a Northland grocery store and obtained surveillance video. Bradley bought a box of wine and items for Lisa about 4:45 p.m. Oct. 3. Family members would claim Bradley bought the wine for a family event. But two weeks after her baby went missing, Bradley would tell the Today Show that she drank enough of that wine that night "to be drunk." She also said she last checked on her baby about 6:40 p.m. Oct. 3, which was about four hours earlier than she had initially said. Jeremy Irwin wasn't at the home. He did some overnight repairs to a Starbucks in the Northland. He told a 911 dispatcher that he arrived home just before 4 a.m. Oct. 4 and discovered a busted window and his daughter missing. The parents would later say the front door was unlocked, lights were on and their three cell phones were missing. Police grilled the parents and focused on whether Bradley could have been responsible for the disappearance. Police thought it was unusual that Bradley told the responding officers that she did not look for her daughter behind their home because she, "was afraid of what she might find," according to court documents. But three hours after Irwin's 911 call, police accepted the couple's story and issued the Amber Alert. The couple's 8- and 5-year-old sons from separate relationships were home at the time and were subsequently interviewed once by detectives. But the parents have declined to make them available again. In the ensuing hours after Lisa was reported missing, police repeatedly said the parents were cooperating with investigators. But despite repeated requests, the parents declined to immediately make a public plea for their daughter's return as is typical in missing baby cases. The parents made a public plea the afternoon of Oct. 5 and their first national television appearances on the morning of Oct. 6. They last publicly spoke to local reporters on that day. That evening, police would announce that the parents were no longer cooperating with detectives and it was hindering the investigation. Bradley and Irwin last spoke to investigators on Oct. 8. Since then, their only interviews have been with national television networks who have drawn criticism in the past for paying for interviews or paying for licensing rights to videos and photos from those involved in high-profile cases. For example, ABC News paid Casey Anthony and her family $200,000 for videos and photos of Caylee Anthony. Lisa's parents have twice allowed ABC News cameras into their home on Lister Avenue while NBC News was given access in recent days. Lisa's parents attended a candlelight vigil for their daughter Sunday night. Bradley said Monday that there is a simple reason why the parents aren't speaking publicly. "We are grieving," she said. An anonymous benefactor is paying for the services of Joe Tacopina and Bill Stanton, a former New York police officer who is now a private detective. Both Tacopina and Stanton have stressed in recent days the importance of video from a gas station showing a man walking into woods near Lisa's home in the overnight hours when she went missing. "Maybe the Kansas City Police Department knows something I don't, and they're doing a fine job, but until I hear more, I still think the assailant, the perpetrator came from outside the home," Stanton told CNN this week. The department is declining to discuss their investigation other than to say almost 1,000 tips have been processed and some have taken investigators and FBI agents out of the Kansas City area. The Missouri National Guard has even helped look for the baby. The department's Crimes Against Children unit is overseeing the crime. The unit is within the Special Victims area. Capt. Mark Folsom is the unit's commander. Folsom was the lead detective in the investigation of the Waldo area rapes that terrorized that neighborhood in 2009 and 2010. Folsom is known as a methodical and tireless detective who is camera shy. The department came under scathing criticism from Waldo area residents and even some council members for not making a quick arrest in the attacks and for seemingly having few leads. While Folsom and his detectives focused on making an arrest, few details leaked about potential suspects before Bernard Jackson was arrested in May 2010 in connection with a series of Waldo area rapes in the 1980s. Jackson was convicted this summer and sentenced earlier this month to life in prison for those rapes. He is still awaiting trial in connection with charges involving the more recent Waldo rapes. Bradley has said she expects to be arrested in connection with her daughter's disappearance. Both her and Irwin's family are supporting her and say they hope that police have uncovered more than they are revealing publicly, which was the case in the Waldo area rapes. Stanton said the investigators have "a thankless job and I think they are heroes." He said it is vital to find the kidnappers and return Lisa to her parents' arms. "The true bad guy is the person or persons that has done this to this child and I do believe the child is out there alive," Stanton said. "And that's why there is a $100,000 reward. I do believe the child is still out there."
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10-26-2011, 01:54 PM	#657
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1584349	I wonder about the being drunk part too. Believe it or not, I have been hammered a time or two myself. Probably to the point she said she was... which was to the point of passing out. Now if she bought the wine after 4:45, she probably wasn't drunk right away. For the sake of the arguement, let's say she was blitzed at 7:00 PM (although I am thinking later based off of other stuff she said). If she was hammered to the point of passing out even at 7:00 PM... at 4:00 AM in the morning she would still not be functioning on all cylinders. I'm sure the cops would have been able to tell if she was hung over... or still a bit drunk. And I don't mean this to sound bad, but neither one of these two appear intelligent enough to dispose of a body... sober... on short notice before the cops arrived, much less drunk. And I am not buying that this could have to be why the baby was stolen/kidnapped. I'm thinking something happened earlier, and they are both in on it. Dad worked overtime for the first time ever, and mom got drunk to have alibi's that it could not have been them. Earlier that day they would have had time to drive to Timbucktu and dispose of a body... then come home and proceed with the cover-up.
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10-26-2011, 02:17 PM	#660
Hydrae Sandbox: Leander Lasercats Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Austin, Tx Casino cash: $2307000	A couple of things I notice about timelines and questions raised in this thread. First, mom was buying wine at 4:45. Someone wanted to know who was watching the kids. I believe dad was still at home and had not left for work. Simple enough. Second, there is the question of whether dad came home for dinner at 5:30. Pretty sure the story (yeah, I know, that alone raises questions in this case) was that he left for work at 5:00 (right after mom got back from the store with the wine?). if so, he would not have been home for dinner 30 minutes later. So if he came home, it was later in the evening at an unknown time. I would think there may have been a coworker who could corroborate the timing of his being off-site from the repair work at Starbucks.
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