Prediction: Chiefs Defense in Top 15 This Year

**petegz28** · 11:51 AM

Yes we will get burnt on some big plays. that happens with an attacking defense. But once Bell and Warfield are on the field or if Dex can tighten it up some we are going to be a good defense. Not great, but good.

Sims...showing consistant push in the middle with Jelly-Roll
Hicks...Pressure is coming and is doing what coaches want of him
Allen...Pass Rush is great. Run D needs to tightent he screws
Mitchell...Where in the hell did this guy come from?
Bell...Speed and anger! Great combination. Just stay healthy!
DJ...Rookie mistakes will come. Record Speed will compensate
Surtain...Throw at him PLEASSSSEEEEE!
Mcleon...Needs to quit playing off so much
Knight...Worth every $
Wesley...Play smart or put in Bartee

All in all I think with the speed and finally understanding Gun's attack style and getting an attitude we are going to be good. Especially since we have to play some of the "projected" high power offenses this year.

MichaelH · 08-21-2005, 11:47 AM

They sure look good on paper don't they? I am remaining skeptical until they prove any different on September 11th.

|Zach| · 08-21-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MichaelH

They sure look good on paper don't they? I am remaining skeptical until they prove any different on September 11th.

True, but in the past...our D hasn't even looked good on paper.

wutamess · 08-21-2005, 11:50 AM

I'm very skeptical right now.
Even with the new blend of players, I see too many of the same mistakes out there that are leading to big plays.

Example... the TD called back when (either) McCleon got burnt or the safety over the top help wasn't there.

Either way... new players, new scheme, same freaking defense for the most part. We're really missing a good-great pass-rusher. That's what seperates us from an average defense to a great defense.

And Before someone mentions Allen, He's nobody you have to gameplan for and we STILL don't have that one dominate player (possibly Surtain) on our defense even with the new additions.

But it's still too early so the jury is still out.

**petegz28** · 08-21-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

I'm very skeptical right now.
Even with the new blend of players, I see too many of the same mistakes out there that are leading to big plays.

Example... the TD called back when (either) McCleon got burnt or the safety over the top help wasn't there.

Either way... new players, new scheme, same freaking defense for the most part. We're really missing a good-great pass-rusher. That's what seperates us from an average defense to a great defense.

And Before someone mentions Allen, He's nobody you have to gameplan for. and we STILL don't have that on our defense even with the enw additions.

But it's still too early so the jury is still out.

You are just a closet Raiders fan. Admit it!!!

4th and Long · 08-21-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

True, but in the past...our D hasn't even looked good on paper.

wutamess · 08-21-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

You are just a closet Raiders fan. Admit it!!!

Speaking of that... yousee Collins' numbers last night?
Something you probably need to start paying attention to since we do play them twice this year.

keg in kc · 08-21-2005, 11:56 AM

I thought we would be top-15 before the preseason started. I haven't seen anything yet that would make me change my mind. The only concern I have is health.

The thing that's keeping us from being much higher than that in my mind is defensive end. I think Hicks is a bigger detriment to the squad than McCleon, and he'll be starting all year rather than just filling in for a month. And I'm not sold on Allen/Hall/Wilkerson on the other side. The tackles look like they're playing fairly well, so that should help, but we're looking weak at end.

But the linebackers look very good right now, and the secondary, even with McCleon starting, is better than anything we've had back there since the 90's. Once Warfield returns, I think we're going to be very solid in the back seven.

**petegz28** · 08-21-2005, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

Speaking of that... yousee Collins' numbers last night?
Something you probably need to start paying attention to since we do play them twice this year.

I saw that INT he threw. And I saw there dfesne sucking again. That's ok. We can get into a shootout with them. I have no worries getting in an offensive shootout with anyone.

We will see how good Collin sis when DJ and Bell say hello!

wutamess · 08-21-2005, 12:14 PM

If you decide to look at it half empty that's on you.

We said what you're saying last year about the Panthers, Texans, Jax, & New Orleans (most notably).

and not to mention... Tampa Bay, New England, and San Diego 2 times.

DTLB58 · 08-21-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelH

They sure look good on paper don't they? I am remaining skeptical until they prove any different on September 11th.

Last night they seem to have jumped off the paper and into warner's face. At least it was better than last week. And you can already tell we are much faster overall on that side of the ball and it won't take waiting till sept 11th to see that.

kcjayhawks5 · 08-21-2005, 01:12 PM

i know we are going to be better but how much better is still in question. I will make my opinion when i see warfield and bell in there and that wont be until week 5.

**petegz28** · 08-21-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

If you decide to look at it half empty that's on you.

We said what you're saying last year about the Panthers, Texans, Jax, & New Orleans (most notably).

and not to mention... Tampa Bay, New England, and San Diego 2 times.

Unless Collins got a spine implant he is still the same Collins that will get rattled once you knock him around.

**petegz28** · 08-21-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

If you decide to look at it half empty that's on you.

We said what you're saying last year about the Panthers, Texans, Jax, & New Orleans (most notably).

and not to mention... Tampa Bay, New England, and San Diego 2 times.

Just keep your Raiders love chants you do at work in your own cube.

Halfcan · 08-21-2005, 05:48 PM

I predict that predicting the Chiefs Defense will be in the top 15 after one good preseason half is a premature ejaculation at this point in time. Any future prognosticating would be pure unmitigated conjecture, which will only be fueled one way or another by blind speculation.

08-21-2005, 11:44 AM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2664127	Prediction: Chiefs Defense in Top 15 This Year Yes we will get burnt on some big plays. that happens with an attacking defense. But once Bell and Warfield are on the field or if Dex can tighten it up some we are going to be a good defense. Not great, but good. Sims...showing consistant push in the middle with Jelly-Roll Hicks...Pressure is coming and is doing what coaches want of him Allen...Pass Rush is great. Run D needs to tightent he screws Mitchell...Where in the hell did this guy come from? Bell...Speed and anger! Great combination. Just stay healthy! DJ...Rookie mistakes will come. Record Speed will compensate Surtain...Throw at him PLEASSSSEEEEE! Mcleon...Needs to quit playing off so much Knight...Worth every $ Wesley...Play smart or put in Bartee All in all I think with the speed and finally understanding Gun's attack style and getting an attitude we are going to be good. Especially since we have to play some of the "projected" high power offenses this year. Last edited by petegz28; 08-21-2005 at 11:51 AM..
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08-21-2005, 11:47 AM	#2
MichaelH Go Chiefs! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gastonia, North Carolina Casino cash: $9302006	They sure look good on paper don't they? I am remaining skeptical until they prove any different on September 11th.
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08-21-2005, 11:50 AM	#4
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $5311637	I'm very skeptical right now. Even with the new blend of players, I see too many of the same mistakes out there that are leading to big plays. Example... the TD called back when (either) McCleon got burnt or the safety over the top help wasn't there. Either way... new players, new scheme, same freaking defense for the most part. We're really missing a good-great pass-rusher. That's what seperates us from an average defense to a great defense. And Before someone mentions Allen, He's nobody you have to gameplan for and we STILL don't have that one dominate player (possibly Surtain) on our defense even with the new additions. But it's still too early so the jury is still out.
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08-21-2005, 11:56 AM	#8
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I thought we would be top-15 before the preseason started. I haven't seen anything yet that would make me change my mind. The only concern I have is health. The thing that's keeping us from being much higher than that in my mind is defensive end. I think Hicks is a bigger detriment to the squad than McCleon, and he'll be starting all year rather than just filling in for a month. And I'm not sold on Allen/Hall/Wilkerson on the other side. The tackles look like they're playing fairly well, so that should help, but we're looking weak at end. But the linebackers look very good right now, and the secondary, even with McCleon starting, is better than anything we've had back there since the 90's. Once Warfield returns, I think we're going to be very solid in the back seven.
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08-21-2005, 12:14 PM	#10
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $5311637	If you decide to look at it half empty that's on you. We said what you're saying last year about the Panthers, Texans, Jax, & New Orleans (most notably). and not to mention... Tampa Bay, New England, and San Diego 2 times.
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08-21-2005, 01:12 PM	#12
kcjayhawks5 Veteran Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $2735609	i know we are going to be better but how much better is still in question. I will make my opinion when i see warfield and bell in there and that wont be until week 5.
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08-21-2005, 05:48 PM	#15
Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	I predict that predicting the Chiefs Defense will be in the top 15 after one good preseason half is a premature ejaculation at this point in time. Any future prognosticating would be pure unmitigated conjecture, which will only be fueled one way or another by blind speculation.
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