Plane off runway and on fire in Toronto, Canada... - Page 4

memyselfI · 08-02-2005, 02:43 PM

Air France jet.

Not looking good for possible survivors. Thusfar, they are blaming weather.

**Donger** · 08-02-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

I have a healthy respect for lightning...it would not surprise me if it damaged the aircraft and played a part of the crash.

Having a healthy respect for lightning is a good idea. However, aircraft aren't grounded, of course, when they are airborne. And, since the skin of the aircraft is mostly metal, the energy is dissipated very well. If anything, I'd be more worried about wind and hail when flying through or near a CB.

**Donger** · 08-02-2005, 03:26 PM

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lightning would do nothing more than burnout the on-board electrical equipment.

Even that's rare, in the extreme.

**Donger** · 08-02-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

I wonder what he meant by "backed up"?

I have no idea. Considering how far the aircraft is from the runway, I'd be surprised if it came to a stop, backed-up and then hurtled off the runway.

Pants · 08-02-2005, 03:28 PM

You think one of the engines went into reverse while the other didn't? That would turn the plane around incredibly fast and might even rip it apart... I just realized this is a 4 engine plane, so I don't know the likeliness of somethng like this happening.

htismaqe · 08-02-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Having a healthy respect for lightning is a good idea. However, aircraft aren't grounded, of course, when they are airborne. And, since the skin of the aircraft is mostly metal, the energy is dissipated very well. If anything, I'd be more worried about wind and hail when flying through or near a CB.

Hail is the worst.

memyselfI · 08-02-2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Having a healthy respect for lightning is a good idea. However, aircraft aren't grounded, of course, when they are airborne. And, since the skin of the aircraft is mostly metal, the energy is dissipated very well. If anything, I'd be more worried about wind and hail when flying through or near a CB.

I'll have to remember this the next time I'm having a panic attack about flying in a thunderstorm...

I HATE IT.

htismaqe · 08-02-2005, 03:30 PM

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I'll have to remember this the next time I'm having a panic attack about flying in a thunderstorm...

I HATE IT.

I hate flying period.

**Donger** · 08-02-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

You think one of the engines went into reverse while the other didn't? That would turn the plane around incredibly fast and might even rip it apart...

I'm just speculating. But, the reversers are a tad important when it comes to stopping on a wet runway.

Pants · 08-02-2005, 03:31 PM

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Hail is the worst.

How so? I was under the impression that extreme bursts of wind (mb's being on the extreme) were the most dangerous...

memyselfI · 08-02-2005, 03:31 PM

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I hate flying period.

Me too...

in all honesty.

**ChiTown** · 08-02-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Hail is the worst.

Humor me....why is hail the worst.

Pants · 08-02-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

I'm just speculating. But, the reversers are a tad important when it comes to stopping on a wet runway.

Oh for sure, I just don't see how the plane could be ripped apart...

tk13 · 08-02-2005, 03:32 PM

News anchor Miles O'Brien on CNN (who is a pilot) said he was talking to some of his pilot friends and one of them brought up a situation in Warsaw about 12 years ago where a plane tried to land on a wet runway and hydroplaned... and when that happened the plane's computer systems read that as the plane hadn't landed yet because the wheels were spinning off the ground, so they wouldn't allow the braking system to work properly, and the pilot was helpless to stop the plane. Didn't say that's what happened, but it's another possibility.

Pants · 08-02-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

News anchor Miles O'Brien on CNN (who is a pilot) said he was talking to some of his pilot friends and one of them brought up a situation in Warsaw about 12 years ago where a plane tried to land on a wet runway and hydroplaned... and when that happened the plane's computer systems read that as the plane hadn't landed yet because the wheels were spinning off the ground, so they wouldn't allow the braking system to work properly, and the pilot was helpless to stop the plane. Didn't say that's what happened, but it's another possibility.

I don't know, they usually try change things around to prevent incidents like that happening in the future... My guess is - there is some sort of a system that prevents such things nowadays...

Planes land on wet surfaces daily, IDK.

**ChiTown** · 08-02-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

News anchor Miles O'Brien on CNN (who is a pilot) said he was talking to some of his pilot friends and one of them brought up a situation in Warsaw about 12 years ago where a plane tried to land on a wet runway and hydroplaned... and when that happened the plane's computer systems read that as the plane hadn't landed yet because the wheels were spinning off the ground, so they wouldn't allow the braking system to work properly, and the pilot was helpless to stop the plane. Didn't say that's what happened, but it's another possibility.

That actually makes a helluvalot of sense. However, surely they have some kind of override system. No?

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08-02-2005, 03:32 PM	#58
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1852500	News anchor Miles O'Brien on CNN (who is a pilot) said he was talking to some of his pilot friends and one of them brought up a situation in Warsaw about 12 years ago where a plane tried to land on a wet runway and hydroplaned... and when that happened the plane's computer systems read that as the plane hadn't landed yet because the wheels were spinning off the ground, so they wouldn't allow the braking system to work properly, and the pilot was helpless to stop the plane. Didn't say that's what happened, but it's another possibility.
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