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Old 10-14-2013, 09:02 AM  
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Costas: Redskins 'an insult, a slur'
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:58 AM   #286
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It's an antiquated term. Like Archer calling Lana a quadroon.

Doesn't mean it's a good idea to name your football team after it.
Well, it's not like they came up with the name last week. And do you really think it was intended as a slur when it was first used? Do you think the original owner named his team after a race of people he despised for the sole purpose of denegrading them? No way.
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:59 AM   #287
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Obviously not. Consider the context.

However, one of them calls another a "house" n-word, then that carries with it a whole set of implications and derogatory hate that the word by itself doesn't generate amongst themselves.

The context plays into the psychological viscera. For instance, I can playfully call my lady the B word in the right, fun context. But with piss and vinegar attached to the word, it becomes something else entirely, and her reaction to it is something else entirely -- and justifiably so.
So you admit that context matters. Now, again, explain to me how being used in an exalted fashion as the name of a professional football team makes "redskin" a slur.
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:59 AM   #288
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When was the last time you heard someone refer to a Native American as a "redskin"?

For me, that would be "never."

It's not like the Lakota are making rap videos calling each other redskins. Do you think gangs of young Cheyennes roll up on each other saying "Yo, redskin, I'm gonna bust a cap in yo ass"?
..it orignated in Europe in the 1500's with the Beothuks from Newfoundland who painted themselves with red ochre..it was a sign of tribal IDENTITY..the absence of red ochre was considered a form of punishment.

Later, in America, it was used to replace the term scalps.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:01 AM   #289
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Context and intent help sculpt the impact that derogatory words make.

I'm happy to admit that me calling a black man the N-word will have a different visceral impact that another black man calling him that.

I'm also happy to admit that me calling a black man the N-word will have a different visceral impact than a team of white people calling themselves the Harlem N-words. But they are both capable of creating adverse reactions, reactions that will be visceral.

You understand that you don't decide feelings, right?

You can react to your feelings, and channel them properly and deal with them as best as you can. But you can't decide what your feelings are.
Did you describe someone as a "black man"? OMG! Should I report your racism?
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:02 AM   #290
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You see, redskin COULD be used as a slur, it never is but it could be.
The entire reason for the word's existence was derogatory, was it not?

Which is why some people think using the word is racially insensitive, in a country where racial sensitivity is not exactly a bright spot of our history.
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So you admit that context matters. Now, again, explain to me how being used in an exalted fashion as the name of a professional football team makes "redskin" a slur.
Well, I'll defer back to my last reply to you. It seems like you're working your way through the conversation right now, trying to catch up.
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I invite you to answer SNR's challenge.

Find me one way that you can use redskin in a socially acceptable way outside of a sports team's name.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm saying I can't think of a single way.

If that's the case, then maybe a sports team's name isn't the magical oasis of racial imperviousness that you thought it was.
I invite you to read Baby Lee's post immediately preceding yours.
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I invite you to read Baby Lee's post immediately preceding yours.
I did?
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Well, I'll defer back to my last reply to you. It seems like you're working your way through the conversation right now, trying to catch up.
Your last reply doesn't really explain why a non-derogatory use of a term should be considered a slur just because the term can be used in another context as a slur.
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If it's used in a derogatory way, I don't see why not.

The problem is, there's virtually no circumstance where redskin and the n-word can be used in a way that's not derogatory.
Wrong...
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Well, I'll defer back to my last reply to you. It seems like you're working your way through the conversation right now, trying to catch up.
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Well, it's not like they came up with the name last week. And do you really think it was intended as a slur when it was first used? Do you think the original owner named his team after a race of people he despised for the sole purpose of denegrading them? No way.
You're right. It wasn't coined last week. It was coined decades ago. Hell, it was coined decades before people started having a serious conversation about race in this country.

It makes no sense to keep it. It doesn't belong in 2013.
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Your last reply doesn't really explain why a non-derogatory use of a term should be considered a slur just because the term can be used in another context as a slur.
I'm still waiting for you to answer SNR's challenge.

I'm guessing you can't.
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I invite you to read Baby Lee's post immediately preceding yours.
What's the big deal with keeping the name? Why is it so goddamn important?

The Cleveland Browns became the Baltimore Ravens. The Houston Oilers became the Tennessee Titans. The Seattle Sonics became the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Long-time logos and brands get changed all the freakin time.

The sophistry taking place is stupid. I get the argument. I've seen it a thousand times on this thread and others like it. "Well, see, it's a bad thing to name your football team these days, but over the years it's acquired it's own meaning just to refer to the football team such that Redskin is now something people call a football player from Washington, so..."

No. That's a shitty reason for keeping the team name.

Give me a good reason for keeping Redskins.
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How dare we compare/elevate Redskins with Bears, Eagles and Broncos...they never did....
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