Keep f***ing doubting Alex Smith

[Hammock Parties]

The title of the thread says it all....

**** you doubters. He plays with heart, and he continues to get the job done. You people who bash Alex, I don't even consider true fans. He plays his heart out every week, and you continue to bash him...

Keep bashing him, I'll keep backing him.

[FringeNC]

Does anyone on here believe Andy Reid thinks you can win in the playoffs without moving the ball through the air? I'll be shocked if Andy Reid tries to "hide" Alex Smith in the playoffs a la previous regimes with respect to Bono and Cassel.

Thus far, some of you guys are already wrong. You argued that if Reid had Smith chucking it 35+ times a game (he averages 35 attempts per game), that he'd be throwing interceptions all over the place, that he was a strictly a guy who had to rely on a strong running game to have a high QB rating.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Yep. Reid is putting the ball in Alex's hands and we are winning. Some of you act like we are running RRPP

[InChiefsHeaven]

It ain't sexy but we're getting it done. Starts with the D and competent (albeit conservative) QB play. What ever works!

[philfree]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

So in your mind Alex Smith is Troy Aikman/Joe Montana? OK.

I don't think there is a "correct" definition of game manager. It's kind of like obscenity. You know it when you see it. Common traits of a game manager include being risk-adverse, always choosing safe throws, relying heavily on defense and running game.



Factually correct. I think we both understand each other's opinion regarding the 2011 season and Alex Smith's performance there. You give him a lot more credit than I do. (And I actually watched that team a lot, because of Aldon Smith).


I finally told Lucy to go **** herself, I wasn't kicking the football this time. She's going to need to put that thing on a tee and go stand on the porch while I kick it.

I stayed a Chiefs fan because that's what you do. Fandom becomes cheap if you bounce from team to team because your team isn't winning. That's my dad's influence.

I'm not pissing all over Alex Smith. Taking a wait-and-see and want-to-see-more approach to him before I BELIEVE in him as the Chiefs long-term QB is not pissing all over him.




Smith has an awesome winning percentage of late. He also has been paired with great (in some cases, surprisingly so) defenses and strong (at least in San Francisco) running games.

I don't question that Alex Smith can win games in the regular season. If he's paired with a top 5 defense, he can a lot of them. We've seen a lot of Chiefs QBs win a lot of games with those

I question his ability to lead a team to victory in the playoffs against other elite squads, that have stronger play at the QB position. The Saints win is not enough to convince me in that regard (the playoff loss to the Giants is much more damning than the Saints win is praising, IMO). I want them to look at upgrading if he doesn't raise his play and show he can consistently make the big-time plays (over the course of an entire game) a QB often has to make to win playoff games. If he does (what I honestly hope for but don't BELIEVE yet), there is no need to upgrade.


Entirely a preemptive strike.



Your love of and focus on players from the state of Utah is not exactly a secret around here. I think that creeps in with Alex Smith.


3-0 is great. It's exciting. But I'm not going to excuse myself for tempering some excitement and having some concerns and questions about the way the ride ends.

I think you've changed your argument as time as gone on. You pretty much pooed on the acquisition of Alex Smith since it happened because like most Chiefs fans you wanted to draft our franchise QB. Now suddenly it's tempered excitement.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by philfree

I think you've changed your argument as time as gone on. You pretty much pooed on the acquisition of Alex Smith since it happened because like most Chiefs fans you wanted to draft our franchise QB. Now suddenly it's tempered excitement.

Sure. I won't argue that my opinion has changed as time has gone on. I also didn't expect the defense to be this good, this fast. The exponential increase in effectiveness by the defense (better coordination, Dontari Poe becoming a monster) increases the upside of an Alex Smith QBed team.

I have seen some positive signs from Alex Smith. I want to see more of them before I believe he can/should be KC's franchise QB.

And I have said all along what I hope happens (Alex Smith IS as good as Andy Reid thinks and DOES progress as much as Reid thinks he can) and what I think will happen (he's not/he doesn't) are different things.

[KCSLC2008]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Interesting graphic from ESPN on "clutch QB's"

ESPN Graphic

This includes games where the team was down by 11 and scored in the last minute to make it within 4 points, right? (This is on both sides of the spectrum - if Rodgers or Smith were up 11 and the other team scores in the last minute, that's a clutch win or vice versa).

Not discounting the whole thing, just wondering if they made any attempt to look at that.

Note: I have too few posts to quote that image. I am referring to the winning percentage of games decided by 4 or fewer points.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I don't question that Alex Smith can win games in the regular season. If he's paired with a top 5 defense, he can a lot of them. We've seen a lot of Chiefs QBs win a lot of games with those

I question his ability to lead a team to victory in the playoffs against other elite squads, that have stronger play at the QB position. The Saints win is not enough to convince me in that regard (the playoff loss to the Giants is much more damning than the Saints win is praising, IMO). I want them to look at upgrading if he doesn't raise his play and show he can consistently make the big-time plays (over the course of an entire game) a QB often has to make to win playoff games. If he does (what I honestly hope for but don't BELIEVE yet), there is no need to upgrade.

Out of curiousity, why do you feel the Giants game has more weight?

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

Out of curiousity, why do you feel the Giants game has more weight?

Playoff wins only count for Alex Smith if they're against elite defenses I suspect is the answer.

[VONDIPSHIT]

Alex Smith is awesome playing captain checkdown.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by VONDIPSHIT

Alex Smith is awesome playing captain checkdown.

whatever it takes to achieve a .803 winning percentage!

[pugsnotdrugs19]

he is not 23-5-1 for no reason. What he does WORKS. Statistics show that turnovers are easily the most outcome altering stat, and he just doesnt do it. By the end of the year I expect them to sign him long term for this reason.

[JENKINSWINS]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

he is not 23-5-1 for no reason. What he does WORKS. Statistics show that turnovers are easily the most outcome altering stat, and he just doesnt do it. By the end of the year I expect them to sign him long term for this reason.

That would be the smart thing to do. He plays a winning style of football, a stand up guy and has a good head on his shoulders.

Go Alex!

[Halfcan]

Elite

Eli 5 td 8 ints 70.5 rating 0-3

Big Ben 4 tds 4 int 3 fumbles a pick 6 81.2 rating and is 0-3

Geno 3 tds 6 int a pitiful 65 rating

Rg3 5 tds 4 ints and is 0-3

Schaub 6 tds 4 ints and 87.3

Flacco 3 tds and 2 int 80 rating

Brady 5 tds 2 ints and 79.4 rating

kape 3 tds 4 int 72.5 rating and 3 fumbles

Brees 6 tds 4 int and 91.4 rating

12 other starting QBs have worse numbers than Alex.

Freemen-benched, Ponder hurt, Pryor out.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

he is not 23-5-1 for no reason. What he does WORKS. Statistics show that turnovers are easily the most outcome altering stat, and he just doesnt do it. By the end of the year I expect them to sign him long term for this reason.

He'll convince me this kind of football works if he starts winning playoff games for the Chiefs.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by SNR

He'll convince me this kind of football works if he starts winning playoff games for the Chiefs.

This will be thrown back in your face when we win a wild card game 9-7.