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Old 12-10-2008, 01:59 PM   #1
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That sucks. It's a decent show.
It hasn't been canceled.

The networks generally don't order full seasons because if a show flops, they've just wasted tens of millions of dollars.

It'll be back soon enough.
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Old 12-10-2008, 02:08 PM   #2
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It hasn't been canceled.

The networks generally don't order full seasons because if a show flops, they've just wasted tens of millions of dollars.

It'll be back soon enough.
BTW Dane,

What do you think of the Jay Leno move to primetime for 5 nights a week?

Doesnt sound to good to me. Its a cost cutting move most likely.

That cant be good.....
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Old 12-10-2008, 02:30 PM   #3
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BTW Dane,

What do you think of the Jay Leno move to primetime for 5 nights a week?

Doesnt sound to good to me. Its a cost cutting move most likely.

That cant be good.....
I think it's less of a cost cutting move and more of a "we don't know what to do" move.

Leno will command about $30 million per year for a prime-time talk show.

NBC has struggled to come up with new 10pm shows, so they're moving Law & Order and SVU to 9pm (which IMO, is way too early for those shows, especially SVU). With ER winding down, they're barren in the 10pm slot. They've been showing repeats of L&O and SVU on Saturday nights because they can't seem to buy or produce a hit show.

It's a risky move: Do people watch "The Tonight Show" or do they watch Jay Leno?

I think it's the former.

NBC's a mess.
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Old 12-10-2008, 02:38 PM   #4
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Old 12-10-2008, 02:39 PM   #5
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NBC's a mess.
That's an understatement. They cancel promising shows and then give full season orders to shit like knight rider.

At least they've kept Chuck on the air. We'll see how long that lasts.
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Old 12-10-2008, 02:43 PM   #6
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I think it's less of a cost cutting move and more of a "we don't know what to do" move.

Leno will command about $30 million per year for a prime-time talk show.

NBC has struggled to come up with new 10pm shows, so they're moving Law & Order and SVU to 9pm (which IMO, is way too early for those shows, especially SVU). With ER winding down, they're barren in the 10pm slot. They've been showing repeats of L&O and SVU on Saturday nights because they can't seem to buy or produce a hit show.

It's a risky move: Do people watch "The Tonight Show" or do they watch Jay Leno?

I think it's the former.

NBC's a mess.
Yea, i cant see it lasting to be honest. More of an experiment i guess.

I dont understand why NBC cant develop good shows?

There is fertile material out there. Look at how good the cable networks are at developing decent dramas these days.
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Old 12-10-2008, 02:53 PM   #7
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Yea, i cant see it lasting to be honest. More of an experiment i guess.

I dont understand why NBC cant develop good shows?

There is fertile material out there. Look at how good the cable networks are at developing decent dramas these days.
The cable networks don't have the pressure of prime time.

TNT's had some great success lately but those numbers wouldn't translate to prime-time and they benefit from receiving income from subscribers. ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox don't.

We've discussed this before but the mere fact that Journeyman didn't make it (along with a show like Jericho on CBS, which definitely had a loyal following) illustrates how difficult it is to create a prime-time ratings winner, regardless of show quality.

I think the Leno thing is a stop-gap but we'll see.
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:06 PM   #8
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The cable networks don't have the pressure of prime time.

TNT's had some great success lately but those numbers wouldn't translate to prime-time and they benefit from receiving income from subscribers. ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox don't.

We've discussed this before but the mere fact that Journeyman didn't make it (along with a show like Jericho on CBS, which definitely had a loyal following) illustrates how difficult it is to create a prime-time ratings winner, regardless of show quality.

I think the Leno thing is a stop-gap but we'll see.
This makes me wonder why top creative minds would even go to the networks anymore??
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:10 PM   #9
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This makes me wonder why top creative minds would even go to the networks anymore??
Well, most of shows on television are produced by outside companies. "Bad Robot" for example is JJ Abrams company. They'll create a pilot and if it's picked up, the network shares the costs and revenues.

But the bottom line is that everyone needs a job and it's just plain bad to refuse work.
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I think it's less of a cost cutting move and more of a "we don't know what to do" move.

Leno will command about $30 million per year for a prime-time talk show.

NBC has struggled to come up with new 10pm shows, so they're moving Law & Order and SVU to 9pm (which IMO, is way too early for those shows, especially SVU). With ER winding down, they're barren in the 10pm slot. They've been showing repeats of L&O and SVU on Saturday nights because they can't seem to buy or produce a hit show.

It's a risky move: Do people watch "The Tonight Show" or do they watch Jay Leno?

I think it's the former.

NBC's a mess.

WTF is going on with SVU? It has gone plaid, it out Horatio's Horatio. Half the time they aren't even doing police work, just sitting around debating the subtext of their 'issue of the week.' Olivia's standing around in kitchens chewing kids out for having sex [not part of a criminal investigation, just being an harridan]. Rapists are popping boners on the stand, while the ADA smirks and quips. Rape victims line up like a 'Charmed' promotion poster to smirk when the rapist gets got. It's a sham of a travesty I say!!
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:44 PM   #11
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NBC has struggled to come up with new 10pm shows, so they're moving Law & Order and SVU to 9pm (which IMO, is way too early for those shows, especially SVU).
I hope they keep Medium. Its not a show people talk about much, but i like it alot. Its solid.
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I hope they keep Medium. Its not a show people talk about much, but i like it alot. Its solid.
Last I heard it would be back again this year.
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Last I heard it would be back again this year.
Seriously, in two weeks. New episodes will start Jan. 20, 2009.
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