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Deberg_1990 · 04-12-2013, 06:26 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...pitch/2076525/

The Los Angeles Dodgers won the game Thursday night against the San Diego Padres, but their pennant hopes certainly took a hit.

Dodgers starter Zack Greinke fractured his left collarbone in a bench-clearing brawl during the Dodgers' 3-2 victory over the Padres at Petco Park, prompting enraged Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp to confront Padres left fielder Carlos Quentin in the clubhouse tunnel after the game.

Padres starter Clayton Richard and security guards intervened before another fight ensued.

The brawl started when Quentin was hit in the shoulder by Greinke's pitch in the sixth inning. He took several steps towards the mound with his bat, dropped it, and charged Greinke. It was the second time in four years that Greinke hit Quentin, but Quentin was intercepted by Kansas City Royals catcher Miguel Olivo and home-plate umpire Bill Hohn back on April 9, 2009, when Greinke pitched for the Royals and Quentin played for the Chicago White Sox.

This time, no one held anyone back, with Greinke, Kemp and Jerry Hairston ejected from the Dodgers, along with Quentin.

The biggest losers, of course, were the Dodgers, with Greinke sidelined for an indefinite period. He's scheduled to see Los Angles physician Neal ElAttrache on Friday. Greinke signed a six-year, $147 million free-agent contract during the winter.

"My teammate now has a broken f------ collarbone,'' Hairston told reporters. "Excuse my language, but that's unbelievable.''

Said Quentin: "It's unfortunate. It could have been avoided. You can ask Zack about that.

"For me, I've been hit by many pitches in my career. I think you guys know that. I can tell you I've never responded in that fashion, so you guys can do your homework on that. For me, the situation is done. That's it.''

Quentin was most infuriated, he told reporters, by what Greinke told him after he was hit.

"That was the final straw,'' he said.

Kemp, enraged by the incident, met face to face with Quentin in the hallway after the game at Petco Park. He followed Quentin into the parking lot and saying: "We'll see, b----,'' according to the Los Angeles Times.

"That's terrible for him to charge the mound like that,'' Kemp told reporters. "I think Carlos Quentin went to Stanford. I heard there's some smart people at Stanford. That wasn't too smart.''

Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said that Quentin shouldn't be permitted to play another game until Greinke can pitch.

"We're in a 2-1 game and on a 3-2 pitch to a guy that I see on the [score]board set a record for the Padres by getting hit, a guy who basically dives into the plate,'' Mattingly said, according to the MLB.com report. "In a 2-1 game, we're trying to hit him, 3-2?

"It's just stupid is what it is. He should not play a game until Greinke can pitch. If he plays before Greinke pitches, something is wrong.''

Said Greinke: "The only thing I'm going to say about the whole thing that happened there is I've never hit him on purpose. I never thought of hitting him on purpose.''

Quentin has long been a magnet for pitches. In 2004, he set a minor league record by getting plunked 43 times, and he led the major leagues the past two seasons, getting hit 23 times in 2011 and 17 times last year, even though he played just 86 games.

Greinke told reporters he thought Quentin's umbrage in reacting to getting hit by pitches was "a ploy" to intimidate pitchers.

"I figured he was trying to intimidate pitchers so they wouldn't throw inside,' he said.

The Dodgers and Padres play again Monday, this time, in Los Angeles at Dodger Stadium on Jackie Robinson Day.

BigCatDaddy · 04-12-2013, 02:18 PM

Grienke isn't the only one apparently that likes to hit CQ.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/po...nded-for-brawl

Quentin should be suspended for brawl

Carlos Quentin needs a reality check. Does he really think Zack Greinke was trying to hit him with a 3-2 pitch leading off the sixth inning of a one-run game? Considering the aftermath of Quentin's actions -- Greinke suffered a broken left collarbone in the brawl -- the Padres outfielder should be fined and suspended for at least 15 games.

And I don't disagree all that much with Dodgers manager Don Mattingly: "That's just stupid is what it is. He should not play a game until Greinke can pitch. If he plays before Greinke pitches, something's wrong. He caused the whole thing. Nothing happens if he goes to first base."

Yes, Greinke apparently mouthed something as Quentin walked toward him. Shake it off, Carlos. It's not as though you haven't been hit before. Plus, you'd think a veteran in his eighth year in the majors would have a little more awareness of the game situation.

The two players apparently have a history; this is the third time Greinke has hit Quentin. But this is what Carlos Quentin does: He gets hit by pitches. He led the National League last season with 17 despite playing only 86 games. He led the American League the year before with 23 despite playing only 118 games. It's a skill to stand there and take it and Quentin has honed it to perfection.

Greinke has hit Quentin three times now. Nick Blackburn has hit him four times. Erik Bedard and Jon Lester have hit him three times. Eighteen others have hit him twice. Nobody tried to hit him with a one-run lead in the sixth inning.

One of the improvements baseball has made in the past 15 to 20 years or so is the elimination of the bench-clearing brawl, or at least the near-elimination. If you watched baseball in the '80s and early '90s, they were almost a weekly occurrence. (Davey Johnson's 1986 World Series champion Mets famously had multiple brawls that season.) As much fun as brawls can be for spectators, they aren't a good thing, paramount being the injury risk. Cal Ripken nearly had his consecutive games streak ended because of a brawl. And now the Dodgers will be without Greinke for a period of time. Too much money is invested in players to put them at risk because Quentin can't keep his head on straight.

And, yes, there are times when pitching a little too far inside is necessary; it is, and should remain, part of the game. Throwing at somebody's head is always uncalled for; but so is charging the mound in a situation such as this.

Depending on how long Greinke is out, it's obviously potentially a big blow to the Dodgers' playoff hopes. They do have rotation depth with Chris Capuano (12-12, 3.72 ERA last year) sitting in the pen, but Capuano isn't Greinke and he fell off after a big first half a season ago.

Padres-Dodgers games always have a little extra spice. I suspect the next 15 times they meet will be very interesting.

KChiefer · 04-12-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

To try to enforce your dumb **** argument you just compared Quentin to Barry Bonds. Just

. You're wrong on this issue and the more dumb shit you post just keeps reaffirming how wrong you are.

He has a 932 OPS vs Greinke...

**LoneWolf** · 04-12-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst 23m
Since '08 Greinke has hit Quentin 3 times in 31 PA. Greinke against all other hitters: 19 HBPs in 4,279 PA.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/91...-repercussions

How many of those other hitters consistently crowd the plate and make no effort to get out of the way of inside pitches? Stupid stats are stupid.

KChiefer · 04-12-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

How many of those other hitters consistently crowd the plate and make no effort to get out of the way of inside pitches? Stupid stats are stupid.

How many aces miss the mitt that bad with a fastball?

**LoneWolf** · 04-12-2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

He has a 932 OPS vs Greinke...

And. So Greinke hits him in a one run game with no outs on a 3-2 count? Do you know how dumb that would be?

**LoneWolf** · 04-12-2013, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

How many aces miss the mitt that bad with a fastball?

Happens all the time. Do you actually watch baseball between reruns of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy?

KChiefer · 04-12-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

And. So Greinke hits him in a one run game with no outs on a 3-2 count? Do you know how dumb that would be?

With a slow ass coming up next? Throwing a fastball for a strike to a guy that hits you hard would be dumber.

WhawhaWhat · 04-12-2013, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

How many of those other hitters consistently crowd the plate and make no effort to get out of the way of inside pitches? Stupid stats are stupid.

U mad bro?

**LoneWolf** · 04-12-2013, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

With a slow ass coming up next? Throwing a fastball for a strike to a guy that hits you hard would be dumber.

So don't throw a fastball. Throw a slider that breaks in the dirt or a change up off of the plate and see if Quentin chases. If not then you still have Quentin at first with a double play candidate coming up and you haven't risked getting ejected or starting a brawl.

**LoneWolf** · 04-12-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

U mad bro?

Not at all. That stat was dumb.

KChiefer · 04-12-2013, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

So don't throw a fastball. Throw a slider that breaks in the dirt or a change up off of the plate and see if Quentin chases. If not then you still have Quentin at first with a double play candidate coming up and you haven't risked getting ejected or starting a brawl.

So why didn't he do that then???

KChiefer · 04-12-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Not at all. That stat was dumb.

The fact that Greinke hits Quentin at a 16 times higher rate than other batters isn't dumb, it's evidence.

BigCatDaddy · 04-12-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

The fact that Greinke hits Quentin at a 16 times higher rate than other batters isn't dumb, it's evidence.

It's evidence the CQ hovers over the plate and Grienke isn't scared to throw inside to him.

**LoneWolf** · 04-12-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

So why didn't he do that then???

He tried to put a little extra on a fastball and missed his spot. It happens. If Quentin would have made any attempt to get out of the way, there isn't a problem.

KChiefer · 04-12-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

It's evidence the CQ hovers over the plate and Grienke isn't scared to throw inside to him.

when the catcher set up outside...

04-12-2013, 06:26 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	Greinke Brawls..breaks collarbone http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...pitch/2076525/ The Los Angeles Dodgers won the game Thursday night against the San Diego Padres, but their pennant hopes certainly took a hit. Dodgers starter Zack Greinke fractured his left collarbone in a bench-clearing brawl during the Dodgers' 3-2 victory over the Padres at Petco Park, prompting enraged Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp to confront Padres left fielder Carlos Quentin in the clubhouse tunnel after the game. Padres starter Clayton Richard and security guards intervened before another fight ensued. The brawl started when Quentin was hit in the shoulder by Greinke's pitch in the sixth inning. He took several steps towards the mound with his bat, dropped it, and charged Greinke. It was the second time in four years that Greinke hit Quentin, but Quentin was intercepted by Kansas City Royals catcher Miguel Olivo and home-plate umpire Bill Hohn back on April 9, 2009, when Greinke pitched for the Royals and Quentin played for the Chicago White Sox. This time, no one held anyone back, with Greinke, Kemp and Jerry Hairston ejected from the Dodgers, along with Quentin. The biggest losers, of course, were the Dodgers, with Greinke sidelined for an indefinite period. He's scheduled to see Los Angles physician Neal ElAttrache on Friday. Greinke signed a six-year, $147 million free-agent contract during the winter. "My teammate now has a broken f------ collarbone,'' Hairston told reporters. "Excuse my language, but that's unbelievable.'' Said Quentin: "It's unfortunate. It could have been avoided. You can ask Zack about that. "For me, I've been hit by many pitches in my career. I think you guys know that. I can tell you I've never responded in that fashion, so you guys can do your homework on that. For me, the situation is done. That's it.'' Quentin was most infuriated, he told reporters, by what Greinke told him after he was hit. "That was the final straw,'' he said. Kemp, enraged by the incident, met face to face with Quentin in the hallway after the game at Petco Park. He followed Quentin into the parking lot and saying: "We'll see, b----,'' according to the Los Angeles Times. "That's terrible for him to charge the mound like that,'' Kemp told reporters. "I think Carlos Quentin went to Stanford. I heard there's some smart people at Stanford. That wasn't too smart.'' Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said that Quentin shouldn't be permitted to play another game until Greinke can pitch. "We're in a 2-1 game and on a 3-2 pitch to a guy that I see on the [score]board set a record for the Padres by getting hit, a guy who basically dives into the plate,'' Mattingly said, according to the MLB.com report. "In a 2-1 game, we're trying to hit him, 3-2? "It's just stupid is what it is. He should not play a game until Greinke can pitch. If he plays before Greinke pitches, something is wrong.'' Said Greinke: "The only thing I'm going to say about the whole thing that happened there is I've never hit him on purpose. I never thought of hitting him on purpose.'' Quentin has long been a magnet for pitches. In 2004, he set a minor league record by getting plunked 43 times, and he led the major leagues the past two seasons, getting hit 23 times in 2011 and 17 times last year, even though he played just 86 games. Greinke told reporters he thought Quentin's umbrage in reacting to getting hit by pitches was "a ploy" to intimidate pitchers. "I figured he was trying to intimidate pitchers so they wouldn't throw inside,' he said. The Dodgers and Padres play again Monday, this time, in Los Angeles at Dodger Stadium on Jackie Robinson Day.
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BigCatDaddy The Beast Inside Your Head Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $2029122	Grienke isn't the only one apparently that likes to hit CQ. http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/po...nded-for-brawl Quentin should be suspended for brawl Carlos Quentin needs a reality check. Does he really think Zack Greinke was trying to hit him with a 3-2 pitch leading off the sixth inning of a one-run game? Considering the aftermath of Quentin's actions -- Greinke suffered a broken left collarbone in the brawl -- the Padres outfielder should be fined and suspended for at least 15 games. And I don't disagree all that much with Dodgers manager Don Mattingly: "That's just stupid is what it is. He should not play a game until Greinke can pitch. If he plays before Greinke pitches, something's wrong. He caused the whole thing. Nothing happens if he goes to first base." Yes, Greinke apparently mouthed something as Quentin walked toward him. Shake it off, Carlos. It's not as though you haven't been hit before. Plus, you'd think a veteran in his eighth year in the majors would have a little more awareness of the game situation. The two players apparently have a history; this is the third time Greinke has hit Quentin. But this is what Carlos Quentin does: He gets hit by pitches. He led the National League last season with 17 despite playing only 86 games. He led the American League the year before with 23 despite playing only 118 games. It's a skill to stand there and take it and Quentin has honed it to perfection. Greinke has hit Quentin three times now. Nick Blackburn has hit him four times. Erik Bedard and Jon Lester have hit him three times. Eighteen others have hit him twice. Nobody tried to hit him with a one-run lead in the sixth inning. One of the improvements baseball has made in the past 15 to 20 years or so is the elimination of the bench-clearing brawl, or at least the near-elimination. If you watched baseball in the '80s and early '90s, they were almost a weekly occurrence. (Davey Johnson's 1986 World Series champion Mets famously had multiple brawls that season.) As much fun as brawls can be for spectators, they aren't a good thing, paramount being the injury risk. Cal Ripken nearly had his consecutive games streak ended because of a brawl. And now the Dodgers will be without Greinke for a period of time. Too much money is invested in players to put them at risk because Quentin can't keep his head on straight. And, yes, there are times when pitching a little too far inside is necessary; it is, and should remain, part of the game. Throwing at somebody's head is always uncalled for; but so is charging the mound in a situation such as this. Depending on how long Greinke is out, it's obviously potentially a big blow to the Dodgers' playoff hopes. They do have rotation depth with Chris Capuano (12-12, 3.72 ERA last year) sitting in the pen, but Capuano isn't Greinke and he fell off after a big first half a season ago. Padres-Dodgers games always have a little extra spice. I suspect the next 15 times they meet will be very interesting.
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