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Deberg_1990 · 04-12-2013, 06:26 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...pitch/2076525/

The Los Angeles Dodgers won the game Thursday night against the San Diego Padres, but their pennant hopes certainly took a hit.

Dodgers starter Zack Greinke fractured his left collarbone in a bench-clearing brawl during the Dodgers' 3-2 victory over the Padres at Petco Park, prompting enraged Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp to confront Padres left fielder Carlos Quentin in the clubhouse tunnel after the game.

Padres starter Clayton Richard and security guards intervened before another fight ensued.

The brawl started when Quentin was hit in the shoulder by Greinke's pitch in the sixth inning. He took several steps towards the mound with his bat, dropped it, and charged Greinke. It was the second time in four years that Greinke hit Quentin, but Quentin was intercepted by Kansas City Royals catcher Miguel Olivo and home-plate umpire Bill Hohn back on April 9, 2009, when Greinke pitched for the Royals and Quentin played for the Chicago White Sox.

This time, no one held anyone back, with Greinke, Kemp and Jerry Hairston ejected from the Dodgers, along with Quentin.

The biggest losers, of course, were the Dodgers, with Greinke sidelined for an indefinite period. He's scheduled to see Los Angles physician Neal ElAttrache on Friday. Greinke signed a six-year, $147 million free-agent contract during the winter.

"My teammate now has a broken f------ collarbone,'' Hairston told reporters. "Excuse my language, but that's unbelievable.''

Said Quentin: "It's unfortunate. It could have been avoided. You can ask Zack about that.

"For me, I've been hit by many pitches in my career. I think you guys know that. I can tell you I've never responded in that fashion, so you guys can do your homework on that. For me, the situation is done. That's it.''

Quentin was most infuriated, he told reporters, by what Greinke told him after he was hit.

"That was the final straw,'' he said.

Kemp, enraged by the incident, met face to face with Quentin in the hallway after the game at Petco Park. He followed Quentin into the parking lot and saying: "We'll see, b----,'' according to the Los Angeles Times.

"That's terrible for him to charge the mound like that,'' Kemp told reporters. "I think Carlos Quentin went to Stanford. I heard there's some smart people at Stanford. That wasn't too smart.''

Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said that Quentin shouldn't be permitted to play another game until Greinke can pitch.

"We're in a 2-1 game and on a 3-2 pitch to a guy that I see on the [score]board set a record for the Padres by getting hit, a guy who basically dives into the plate,'' Mattingly said, according to the MLB.com report. "In a 2-1 game, we're trying to hit him, 3-2?

"It's just stupid is what it is. He should not play a game until Greinke can pitch. If he plays before Greinke pitches, something is wrong.''

Said Greinke: "The only thing I'm going to say about the whole thing that happened there is I've never hit him on purpose. I never thought of hitting him on purpose.''

Quentin has long been a magnet for pitches. In 2004, he set a minor league record by getting plunked 43 times, and he led the major leagues the past two seasons, getting hit 23 times in 2011 and 17 times last year, even though he played just 86 games.

Greinke told reporters he thought Quentin's umbrage in reacting to getting hit by pitches was "a ploy" to intimidate pitchers.

"I figured he was trying to intimidate pitchers so they wouldn't throw inside,' he said.

The Dodgers and Padres play again Monday, this time, in Los Angeles at Dodger Stadium on Jackie Robinson Day.

ghak99 · 04-12-2013, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

So how did Grienke get his collar bone broke? I’m not even seeing any punches thrown. Of course they get swarmed pretty quickly and there’s no telling what’s going on in that mass of bodies.

I wouldn't be surprised if it happened on the initial contact. I broke mine by absorbing a pretty big hit from the same odd angle. If he had squared up he would have probably gotten leveled though.

I'm actually pretty impressed with how the little weirdo handled himself. He's obviously not Ryan or Clemens standing on the mound but he stepped up and moved forward instead of running like a little bitch.

HoneyBadger · 04-12-2013, 01:24 PM

"Indians starter Carlos Carrasco has been suspended eight games by Major League Baseball for hitting New York's Kevin Youkilis with a pitch."

I can see CQ's suspension being pretty severe.

WhawhaWhat · 04-12-2013, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

Split died before the Royals had a chance to fire him for complaining about pitchers not coming inside.

I thought they fired announcers for being monotone and boring.

WhawhaWhat · 04-12-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

"Indians starter Carlos Carrasco has been suspended eight games by Major League Baseball for hitting New York's Kevin Youkilis with a pitch."

I can see CQ's suspension being pretty severe.

I think Quentin gets 7 games max, more likely around 5.

KChiefer · 04-12-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

"Indians starter Carlos Carrasco has been suspended eight games by Major League Baseball for hitting New York's Kevin Youkilis with a pitch."

I can see CQ's suspension being pretty severe.

That amounts to missing one or two starts.

Johnny Cueto was suspended for a 7 games(again 1 or 2 starts) for giving Jason La Rue a career ending concussion by kicking him in the head in 2010 during a brawl.

KChiefer · 04-12-2013, 01:47 PM

Quentin has 3 HRs in 26 at-bats versus Greinke. Doubt Greinke felt like grooving a fastball up to him.

Quentin averages getting hit-by-pitch once every 24 plate appearances. Quentin's HBP vs Greinke? Once every 10 plate appearances.

BigCatDaddy · 04-12-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

Quentin has 3 HRs in 26 at-bats versus Greinke. Doubt Greinke felt like grooving a fastball up to him.

Quentin averages getting hit-by-pitch once every 24 plate appearances. Quentin's HBP vs Greinke? Once every 10 plate appearances.

Because Grienke throws nothing but fastballs 3-2

KChiefer · 04-12-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Because Grienke throws nothing but fastballs 3-2

So why didn't he throw the slider he struck Quentin out on in the 4th in a 2-2 count? Could in be that he couldn't trust that he'd get it over, so rather than throw that fastball in the zone and get it creamed, bean him and have a great DP candidate in Alonso up at the plate?

You guys are so reeruned that you can't see that as a very likely possibility.

BigCatDaddy · 04-12-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

So why didn't he throw the slider he struck Quentin out on in the 4th in a 2-2 count? Could in be that he couldn't trust that he'd get it over, so rather than throw that fastball in the zone and get it creamed, bean him and have a great DP candidate in Alonso up at the plate?

You guys are so reeruned that you can't see that as a very likely possibility.

Hey, we aren't the ones that are saying Grienke hit the guy because he was worried Carlos would do something he does 15% of the time so he put him on base in a tight game with 2 strikes.

KChiefer · 04-12-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Hey, we aren't the ones that are saying Grienke hit the guy because he was worried Carlos would do something he does 15% of the time so he put him on base in a tight game with 2 strikes.

Hitting 3 HRs in 24 AB is Barry Bonds record season like. Did Barry every get pitched around?

BigCatDaddy · 04-12-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

Hitting 3 HRs in 24 AB is Barry Bonds record season like. Did Barry every get pitched around?

Sure, but I don't recall him being thrown at on purpose 3-2 in a 1 run game.

Sorry man, but you're are reaching some thing that just isn't there.

**gblowfish** · 04-12-2013, 02:16 PM

"Well, did you hit me with your right hand, or with your left????"

WhawhaWhat · 04-12-2013, 02:16 PM

Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst 23m
Since '08 Greinke has hit Quentin 3 times in 31 PA. Greinke against all other hitters: 19 HBPs in 4,279 PA.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/91...-repercussions

KChiefer · 04-12-2013, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Sure, but I don't recall him being thrown at on purpose 3-2 in a 1 run game.

Sorry man, but you're are reaching some thing that just isn't there.

The numbers don't lie, Greinke enjoys plunking Quentin.

**LoneWolf** · 04-12-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

Hitting 3 HRs in 24 AB is Barry Bonds record season like. Did Barry every get pitched around?

To try to enforce your dumb **** argument you just compared Quentin to Barry Bonds. Just

. You're wrong on this issue and the more dumb shit you post just keeps reaffirming how wrong you are.

04-12-2013, 06:26 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	Greinke Brawls..breaks collarbone http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...pitch/2076525/ The Los Angeles Dodgers won the game Thursday night against the San Diego Padres, but their pennant hopes certainly took a hit. Dodgers starter Zack Greinke fractured his left collarbone in a bench-clearing brawl during the Dodgers' 3-2 victory over the Padres at Petco Park, prompting enraged Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp to confront Padres left fielder Carlos Quentin in the clubhouse tunnel after the game. Padres starter Clayton Richard and security guards intervened before another fight ensued. The brawl started when Quentin was hit in the shoulder by Greinke's pitch in the sixth inning. He took several steps towards the mound with his bat, dropped it, and charged Greinke. It was the second time in four years that Greinke hit Quentin, but Quentin was intercepted by Kansas City Royals catcher Miguel Olivo and home-plate umpire Bill Hohn back on April 9, 2009, when Greinke pitched for the Royals and Quentin played for the Chicago White Sox. This time, no one held anyone back, with Greinke, Kemp and Jerry Hairston ejected from the Dodgers, along with Quentin. The biggest losers, of course, were the Dodgers, with Greinke sidelined for an indefinite period. He's scheduled to see Los Angles physician Neal ElAttrache on Friday. Greinke signed a six-year, $147 million free-agent contract during the winter. "My teammate now has a broken f------ collarbone,'' Hairston told reporters. "Excuse my language, but that's unbelievable.'' Said Quentin: "It's unfortunate. It could have been avoided. You can ask Zack about that. "For me, I've been hit by many pitches in my career. I think you guys know that. I can tell you I've never responded in that fashion, so you guys can do your homework on that. For me, the situation is done. That's it.'' Quentin was most infuriated, he told reporters, by what Greinke told him after he was hit. "That was the final straw,'' he said. Kemp, enraged by the incident, met face to face with Quentin in the hallway after the game at Petco Park. He followed Quentin into the parking lot and saying: "We'll see, b----,'' according to the Los Angeles Times. "That's terrible for him to charge the mound like that,'' Kemp told reporters. "I think Carlos Quentin went to Stanford. I heard there's some smart people at Stanford. That wasn't too smart.'' Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said that Quentin shouldn't be permitted to play another game until Greinke can pitch. "We're in a 2-1 game and on a 3-2 pitch to a guy that I see on the [score]board set a record for the Padres by getting hit, a guy who basically dives into the plate,'' Mattingly said, according to the MLB.com report. "In a 2-1 game, we're trying to hit him, 3-2? "It's just stupid is what it is. He should not play a game until Greinke can pitch. If he plays before Greinke pitches, something is wrong.'' Said Greinke: "The only thing I'm going to say about the whole thing that happened there is I've never hit him on purpose. I never thought of hitting him on purpose.'' Quentin has long been a magnet for pitches. In 2004, he set a minor league record by getting plunked 43 times, and he led the major leagues the past two seasons, getting hit 23 times in 2011 and 17 times last year, even though he played just 86 games. Greinke told reporters he thought Quentin's umbrage in reacting to getting hit by pitches was "a ploy" to intimidate pitchers. "I figured he was trying to intimidate pitchers so they wouldn't throw inside,' he said. The Dodgers and Padres play again Monday, this time, in Los Angeles at Dodger Stadium on Jackie Robinson Day.
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