Chiefs Glenn Dorsey's role in the 3-4 - Page 2

**Bowser** · 02-27-2009, 02:01 PM

With Vrabel coming in, I think we can officially say we are going to be a 3-4 team in '09. This leaves Dorsey kind of in positional limbo, according to those who know D-Line play better than I.

What will his role be? No way is he going to be a Haloti Ngata type at tackle, so end it is. What is the problem with Dorsey at end in a 3-4? He couldn't possibly be anymore out of position there than the way they used him last year, right? And isn't one of his strengths rushing the passer?

Please enlighten those of us not as adept at d-line, 4-3/3-4 play.

Chief3188 · 02-27-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tboss27

I won't write him off either, all the experts had this guy at the top of their draft boards last year in terms of talent. He's going to have to play end though, no way he's big enough to play NT. I just don't understand insisting on switching to 3-4 when three of your former first rounders don't fit well in that scheme. DJ, Hali, and Dorsey will all have to learn new positions now, not something I'm thrilled about my best three players in the front 7 having to do.

Well to be fair our so called best 3 players on the front 7 had a combined 4.5 sacks which ironically is only half a sack more than the guy we just traded for had last season.

StcChief · 02-27-2009, 02:33 PM

Trust coaches / Dorsey to transition. until he proves he can't.

HC_Chief · 02-27-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief3188

Well to be fair our so called best 3 players on the front 7 had a combined 4.5 sacks which ironically is only half a sack more than the guy we just traded for had last season.

You mean the broken-down OLD GEEZER from NE? What's his name again? Surely there must be a thread....

**The Bad Guy** · 02-27-2009, 02:34 PM

I'll give the guy a shot to perform before I completely say that he's going to be wasted in a 3-4.

Chief3188 · 02-27-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

You mean the broken-down OLD GEEZER from NE? What's his name again? Surely there must be a thread....

lol - Oh well man I think guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill with the Vrabel trade.

We need leadership and Vrabel can provide it. As long as we did not give anything more than a 5th round pick and don't make a habit out of trading our picks for over the hill players I am fine with helping our team transition to the 3-4 with this minor maneuver.

keg in kc · 02-27-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I'll give the guy a shot to perform before I completely say that he's going to be wasted in a 3-4.

Yep.

Although I might go on to say I think he's too talented not to succeed, whatever system they put him in.

If they flex 4-3 to 3-4 (which I'm guessing they will), then I'd assume he'll be used like Richard Seymour.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 02-27-2009, 02:40 PM

FFS, Dorsey's career was just ruined ala Ryan Sims. This is ****in reeruned.

kcxiv · 02-27-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I'll give the guy a shot to perform before I completely say that he's going to be wasted in a 3-4.

You mean, we have another choice? we dont have to give him a shot in the 3-4? lol

**Mr. Kotter** · 02-27-2009, 02:44 PM

I think some people doubt Dorsey's ability to cosistently play two-gap defense. Frankly, I don't really get why either. I think he has more than enough tools that he can be disruptive, and if nothing else...he should be able to often occupy two blockers. Either way, he's done his job.

Here's a decent article that has bearing on the whole discussion:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5...:-Mind-the-Gap

ChiefsCountry · 02-27-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Yep.

Although I might go on to say I think he's too talented not to succeed, whatever system they put him in.

If they flex 4-3 to 3-4 (which I'm guessing they will), then I'd assume he'll be used like Richard Seymour.

I hope so, Seymour is a little taller than Dorsey though.

beach tribe · 02-27-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Wasted.

We should have taken your boy Gholston instead.

Chief3188 · 02-27-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

You mean, we have another choice? we dont have to give him a shot in the 3-4? lol

I am not sure you read his post right - He was not claiming that he is going to give Dorsey a chance like a coach would - He is saying he will give him a chance in the 3-4 before he says that he will fail.

beach tribe · 02-27-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

FFS, Dorsey's career was just ruined ala Ryan Sims. This is ****in reeruned.

How does this compare to Ryan Krisy Kream Sims? In what way exactly?

keg in kc · 02-27-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I hope so, Seymour is a little taller than Dorsey though.

Seymour is more than a little taller than Dorsey. I wasn't trying to compare the two, anyway, just saying that's how I'd imagine they'll use him - as a sort of flex tackle/end hybrid.

That makes more sense to me than trying to turn him into a fireplug NT. His game is supposed to be about explosiveness, not occupying space.

beach tribe · 02-27-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief3188

I am not sure you read his post right - He was not claiming that he is going to give Dorsey a chance like a coach would - He is saying he will give him a chance in the 3-4 before he says that he will fail.

Someone is not comprehending, but I don't think it's him.

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Mr. Kotter The Dude Abides Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dakota Country Casino cash: $5885285	I think some people doubt Dorsey's ability to cosistently play two-gap defense. Frankly, I don't really get why either. I think he has more than enough tools that he can be disruptive, and if nothing else...he should be able to often occupy two blockers. Either way, he's done his job. Here's a decent article that has bearing on the whole discussion: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5...:-Mind-the-Gap __________________ "I've always said I worry about legacy and winning rings more than making money at this moment...We see what's going on around the league, but at the same time, I'll never do anything that's going to hurt us from keeping the great players around me.”
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