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[OmahaChief]

Originally Posted by Boris The Great

People dont scream about the old guys in TNA simply because of their age. They do it because those guys cant wrestle passable matches or draw money anymore. Which makes their continued presence on TV a complete waste of time.

When HBK and Undertaker have a stinker of a match that nobody pays to see, then there might be a comparison to make with TNA.

I see what you did there..pretended not to notice the Hart- McMahon match.

[CoMoChief]

How in the hell can people watch pro wrestling anymore these days. They had their glory years with Rock, Austin, Goldberg, nWo, DX, Monday night wars etc.


Now the characters are either older than shit, or are just plain reeruned

[Mecca]

That's a one off Mania match, Bret Hart isn't going to be in any storylines after that at least not as a wrestler.

There's a difference.

[OmahaChief]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

They're getting destroyed, and it's not going to get any better. TNA is a great roster but they can't overcome their own writing.

As far as WWE goes, I don't think I'd agree that they have no clue. This is the strongest Wrestlemania build they've had since Trump was on the show. Even if you don't like the McMahon/Hart angle, the crowds clearly do, and people online seem to be eating it up. That's a money angle if there ever was one. Punk and Misterio the last two weeks has been the best thing in wrestling. Jericho and Edge didn't do much for me last week (why have the cutting edge a week after the highlight reel - that made no sense to me, although I think it's to protect Edge), but that match will probably be the show-stealer. Batista and Cena is as hot as anything right now, much to my surprise, because I don't particularly like either one. But Batista's heel persona right now is about on par with CM Punk - they're the best two heels in wrestling right now.

The things that aren't working are the Orton/Legacy angle, which I think I pointed out before, and Sheamus and HHH, which I have no interest in, although, again, Sheamus executed his promo last week extremely well. But balance that out with the real main events, and there's at least 4 really hot angles leading into the show Sunday (Taker/Michaels, McMahon/Hart, Cena/Batista, Punk/Misterio).

I doubt that the people in TNA thought they were going to be pulling very high numbers when they first strated head to head. They have not even had any time to get traction in their new slot. Not sure they will with the current creative team but I will at least give them a few months to get somethign working.

That Hart-McMahon agnle might be working for he marks in the stands but it is very boring to me. I would rather see a good match with some actual wrestling. Maybe a Kofi Kingston match or for that matter a couple guys off NXT. Cena/Blahtista is another rehash. I understand they only have so many main eventers but how many times do I have to see Cena/Bautista/HHH fight one another. Enough already.

Sheamus might have cut a decent promo but fact of the matter is the guy is still a effin reerun.

No doubt that Edge/Jericho will put on a good match but how many times are they going to force this fued down our throughts. This is basically the Christian/Edge fued that was years back.

To that point Christian should be getting more run than he is. He needs to be on RAW but McMahon is still punishing him for going to TNA.

[OmahaChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That's a one off Mania match, Bret Hart isn't going to be in any storylines after that at least not as a wrestler.

There's a difference.

They still push - Michaels, Taker, HHH all which are about the same age as the NWO guys.

[Mecca]

Actually, H is I believe 43 which is younger than Hall or Nash..

And frankly Taker, HBK and even Triple H to an extent can still go, if you compare them to the NWO guys they look like ****ing Gods.

No one cares about the ages unless the guys show their ages, watching people like Hogan, Hall, Nash still try to wrestle is just sad, HBK and Taker can still go.

[keg in kc]

If memory serves, Michaels and Undertaker now are about the same age as Flair and Hogan...when they were headlining WCW...

To see those guys as important figures in TNA now is just really, really sad.

As far as the Hart/McMahon angle working for the "marks in the stands", well, they're the ones paying for the product, and they outnumber you. And me. They're really the ones that count.

[OmahaChief]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

If memory serves, Michaels and Undertaker now are about the same age as Flair and Hogan...when they were headlining WCW...

To see those guys as important figures in TNA now is just really, really sad.

As far as the Hart/McMahon angle working for the "marks in the stands", well, they're the ones paying for the product, and they outnumber you. And me. They're really the ones that count.

I agree that Hogan and Flair have no business wrestling. Flair would make a great stable manager like JJ Dillion.

The problem as I see it is after WCW was bought by Vince the business went down hill. The marks are not smart enough to turn off their set or not show up after getting spoonfed the same match all the time. I think the industry needs TNA to do something so Vince will get off his ass and step up the product. I do enjoy the NXT show but find Smackdown boring on most nights.

My problem is I long for the days when the Monday Night wars were just that. That was the golden age of wrestling for me.

[Mecca]

The WWE does not care about TNA just like about 80% of wrestling fans don't.

Whether you hate the WWE or not isn't the issue, they turn a profit, TNA doesn't and TNA repeatedly does stupid shit.

[keg in kc]

I love NXT, it's my favorite thing in wrestling right now. If they're ever going to get fresh faces on the air, get passed recycled talent and feuds, that show is the way they can do it. Unfortunately it's only pulling a 1.0. (Which is still more than TNA.) I wish I had some idea for how they can induce more people to watch.

TNA is never going to do anything with Vince Russo in charge. I think it's more likely we'll see that company fold than see them challenge WWE in any meaningful way.

WWE is as hot right now as it has been for years, even recycling the same guys. I fully expect it to go back to dullsville once 'mania is over. Although even now it can be hit-and-miss from week-to-week or even segment-to-segment.

I think the best thing they could do is get away from carnival side-show bullshit like hornswaggle and khali, and cut back about 150% on the bad comedy, but, unfortunately for those of us over the age of 12, they're trying to be a "family" product.

What's missing in wrestling for me right now is an "adult" alternative.

[OmahaChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Actually, H is I believe 43 which is younger than Hall or Nash..

And frankly Taker, HBK and even Triple H to an extent can still go, if you compare them to the NWO guys they look like ****ing Gods.

No one cares about the ages unless the guys show their ages, watching people like Hogan, Hall, Nash still try to wrestle is just sad, HBK and Taker can still go.

I was shocked to see that HHH is actually 10 years younger than Nash and Hall. Michaels and Taker are 6 years younger which was caught me off guard. They have been around forever so they seemed older.

To say Triple H can go is not saying much. Guy as three moves and one involves hitting people with a Sledge Hammer.Taker has 3 good matches a year and the rest are junk in my opinion and Michaels still puts on a show..not the Showstoppa anymore but still good.

As for people not caring about TNA, I agree. If nothing else their move to Monday night might get them som additional fans for when they move back to Thursday nights. I personally dislike the writing on both programs but like the pure wrestling on TNA better. On the Mic the guys in the WWE are head and shoulders better.

[OmahaChief]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I love NXT, it's my favorite thing in wrestling right now. If they're ever going to get fresh faces on the air, get passed recycled talent and feuds, that show is the way they can do it. Unfortunately it's only pulling a 1.0. (Which is still more than TNA.) I wish I had some idea for how they can induce more people to watch.

TNA is never going to do anything with Vince Russo in charge. I think it's more likely we'll see that company fold than see them challenge WWE in any meaningful way.

WWE is as hot right now as it has been for years, even recycling the same guys. I fully expect it to go back to dullsville once 'mania is over. Although even now it can be hit-and-miss from week-to-week or even segment-to-segment.

I think the best thing they could do is get away from carnival side-show bullshit like hornswaggle and khali, and cut back about 150% on the bad comedy, but, unfortunately for those of us over the age of 12, they're trying to be a "family" product.

What's missing in wrestling for me right now is an "adult" alternative.

The whole guest host thing for me just has not worked. That crap worht Hornswaggle was about as bad of writing as could be. Could not agree more with the adult alternative.

[keg in kc]

TNA's wrestling is only going to get more and more like WWE's judging by the direction they've been going since January 4th.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by OmahaChief

The whole guest host thing for me just has not worked.

I don't think it's worked for anybody. They need to either drop it or cut back on how often they have them. Weekly is just overkill, and there's really not that many c-list stars for them. Pete Rose tonight? Really?! I know he has the WWE connection but seriously...

For a long time Smackdown was the (far) better show of the two, they have the better wrestlers, but they've fallen back a little and Raw's gotten a little better.

[58kcfan89]

Originally Posted by OmahaChief

I personally like a couple of the fueds in TNA right now. I love the Anderson-Angel fued and the whole X-Division scene. The Abyss angle is lame but I like where they are headed with a possible stable for Flair to manage.

As for WWE...Michaels-Taker -- it is OK but I don't want to hear any WWE honks screaming about all the old guys in TNA when this and the McMahon/Hart angles are going strong in WWE. The Hart angle is the worst in wrestling right now, it bores me beyond belief. I never wanted to see those two back in the ring and now that will be at Mania. Pure crap. Edge and Jericho is another rehash of an angle they have used over the last 10 years or so. Played out. Punk- Misterio I am OK with as Punk is really growing into that role. I think the beard helps sell it.

Shamus-- not sure where to even begin with that piece of shit. That guy is horrible in the ring and out and the fact they are shoving him down our throats makes it worse.

Neither brand has got a clue at this point.

TNA has a lot of young talent but the older guys are going to need to job to them to make it work and I don't see that happening. Of course the writing is terrible...effin Abyss and his Gollum like infatuation with Hogan's ring is beyond stupid.

LMFAO, the hell is this about? I haven't watched TNA in a long time, but this sounds hilarious. And I like Abyss.....

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I didn't watch it (and neither did anybody else, I'd imagine), but apparently the TNA ppv last night was horrendous.

TNA's going to be back on Thursdays inside of a month. That's my prediction. They're going to go down again tonight to something along the lines of 3.7 to 0.8, and it's probably going to be even worse next week when they put a taped show up against the night after Wrestlemania, likely featuring Shawn Michaels' "retirement".

They're getting destroyed, and it's not going to get any better. TNA is a great roster but they can't overcome their own writing.

As far as WWE goes, I don't think I'd agree that they have no clue. This is the strongest Wrestlemania build they've had since Trump was on the show. Even if you don't like the McMahon/Hart angle, the crowds clearly do, and people online seem to be eating it up. That's a money angle if there ever was one. Punk and Misterio the last two weeks has been the best thing in wrestling. Jericho and Edge didn't do much for me last week (why have the cutting edge a week after the highlight reel - that made no sense to me, although I think it's to protect Edge), but that match will probably be the show-stealer. Batista and Cena is as hot as anything right now, much to my surprise, because I don't particularly like either one. But Batista's heel persona right now is about on par with CM Punk - they're the best two heels in wrestling right now.

The things that aren't working are the Orton/Legacy angle, which I think I pointed out before, and Sheamus and HHH, which I have no interest in, although, again, Sheamus executed his promo last week extremely well. But balance that out with the real main events, and there's at least 4 really hot angles leading into the show Sunday (Taker/Michaels, McMahon/Hart, Cena/Batista, Punk/Misterio).

Pretty much agree with all of this. I've been a huge fan of Edge's since he was in the tag team a long time ago, but I don't think this face run is working. Maybe it needs more time or maybe Edge is just a naturally good heel, but I'm not a huge fan of the face turn so far. As for the Jericho-Edge match, I think it could be a classic.

I like the buildup to HBK-Taker. When I first heard about it, I thought "aww crap, HBK's gunna job again," but with the buildup, it's made me think twice. I think Sheamus is awful and don't care about his match vs. HHH, but whatever. And I usually hate Batista & Cena, but I've enjoyed Batista's promos for the most part.

As for Punk-Mysterio, I friggin' LOVE CM Punk (no homo...maybe a little). The creepy persona with the long beard and SES just works perfectly. I'm not a big fan of Rey's mic skills, but can deal with it. I'd love to see him turn heel after losing to Punk by joining the SES, but am not holding my breath.

This is the first time I've been excited for more than 1 or 2 Mania matches at a time and am considering buying a PPV for the first time in about a year and a half...