**2014 Official NBA Playoffs Thread**

[-King-]

Round 1:

EAST:

#8 Hawks @ #1 Pacers
#7 Bobcats @ #2 Heat
#6 Nets @ #3 Raptors
#5 Wizards @ #4 Bulls

WEST:
#8 Mavericks @ #1 Spurs
#7 Grizzlies @ #2 Thunder
#6 Warriors @ #3 Clippers
#5 Blazers @ #4 Rockets

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Or if LeBron was on those Bulls teams and Jordan was on these lesser Heat teams, what would the narrative be?

I don't know, but you sure seem to be 100% positive about answering a question nobody could possibly know the answer to.

We could speculate all we want about if Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees could have won Super Bowls on the Steelers' team if they started over Big Ben. I don't think they could have won nearly as many as we'd all like to think.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

They also had the better overall player.

They were deep enough to win 2 NBA Championships in a row. Seriously when the players conspire together to build their own super team there is no excuses when they lose.

No doubts, and it shows. They won two championships in four years which is not good considering what they sought to do. They came a missed FT away from one championship in four years. This is why a team like SA mauled them. Miami sacrificed depth for this Big 3 concept. I am not excusing LeBron, but of the Big 3 he was the only one who seemed to show up in these finals. One has to wonder what his legacy would be had he been on a deeper team like MJ had is all I am saying.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

LeBron doesn't elevate the play of his teammates?



Oh man, the trolls dropping in here get dumber and dumber.

Elimination game and he wills TWO of his teammates to barely get into double digits.

Impressive...

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by |Zach|

What? All I heard during the finals was except for LeBron nobody was doing anything...when I turned on the TV it was lol...really just guys standing around.

Then the Pacers didnt even play basketball were blowing in guys ears and playing grab ass and was told that they had quit a long time ago in this very thread.

Great postseason!

I have watched all these games there was no quit. Just the better teams winning.

[kcxiv]

QUOTE=Mr_Tomahawk;10694150]For those here who seem to struggle with this comparison and never watched MJ....

@JohnLewisTweets: For us old people who remember, this is how good Jordan was: http://t.co/Ysic7mrDv9[/QUOTE]

THey should have put up Kareem's trophies It would be right there with Jordan on them trophies lol well alot closer. then Duncan, but they are trying to give duncan some love.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

It is not the only measurement but it is one of the deciding factor.

You said "that's all that needs to be said," though, so it must be the only measurement. And it must be done with no context.

And I think it is hilarious you think I am trolling. I am not.

Dropping a Kobe comp is the pure definition of that, I'm afraid. MJ and LeBron are in a different stratosphere as basketball players.

I don't get it you act like I am shitting on him just because I said he is not as good as the greatest bb player in the history of the game.

Because making the outcome of this series a referendum on LeBron's entire career and legacy is really as silly as it gets (especially if you watched the games and saw why the Heat lost). The guy is 29. He has a long way to go yet, many records left to break, and likely several more titles left to win.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Elimination game and he wills TWO of his teammates to barely get into double digits.

Impressive...

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You said "that's all that needs to be said," though, so it must be the only measurement. And it must be done with no context.


Dropping a Kobe comp is the pure definition of that, I'm afraid. MJ and LeBron are in a different stratosphere as basketball players.


Because making the outcome of this series a referendum on LeBron's entire career and legacy is really as silly as it gets (especially if you watched the games and saw why the Heat lost). The guy is 29. He has a long way to go yet, many records left to break, and likely several more titles left to win.

Several titles?

Go home, you're drunk.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja

it wont anymore, its over! losing 3 of 5. Regardless of anything. No matter how anyone tries to spin it, its not going to happen! We are going to hear alot of talk about this on every ****ing sports channel there and it starts tomorrow.

As I've said before, LeBron could win 7 titles in the end and break every record in the book and it still wouldn't be enough for some.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Let's not act as if LeBron walked into a losing situation. The Heat were a playoff team in 2009, and then added him and Bosh. While it sucks that his talents dropped off, hey, that's what you get for trying to orchestrate your own super team. The team LeBron started out with was plenty deep.

And let's not overstate how good Jordan's supporting cast was. They were excellent, but hardly your traditional "Big 3." Let's not forget that a big chunk of their team makeup was around solid but unspectacular players like Paxson, Cartwright, Kerr, Wennington, and Longley.

Agreed. This is what I am trying to say. Those MJ teams were deep. There weren't a lot of true superstars, but they had a lot of solid players. Much like SA this year except those Bulls had the best player on the planet at the time.

The team LeBron inherited was deep and good, the problem was Riley leaned too heavily on the Big 3 and made little effort to improve an aging roster. It caught up with them this series. Wade and Bosh and Allen were all garbage throughout the series and the Heat had no one to step up outside of LBJ.

[Hammock Parties]

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

You just said the magic word. Solid. No one on that Heat team besides LeBron is solid.

The Heat have had plenty of role players. When they were winning, they had decent enough big man play with Haslem/Anthony/Bird Man. They had very good three point shooting with Miller/Allen. It wasn't until this year that they recipe fell apart but it's hard to feel sorry for them when the reason they were so shallow is because the Big 3 orchestrated the 3 big contracts that made it incredibly difficult to gain quality depth.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Several titles?

Go home, you're drunk.

No, I'm thinking you're the drunk one (or just a moron with no perspective or understanding of NBA history at all). LeBron is 29 years old and remains the best player in the league by far. MJ won 4 titles after that age.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by tredadda

No doubts, and it shows. They won two championships in four years which is not good considering what they sought to do. They came a missed FT away from one championship in four years. This is why a team like SA mauled them. Miami sacrificed depth for this Big 3 concept. I am not excusing LeBron, but of the Big 3 he was the only one who seemed to show up in these finals. One has to wonder what his legacy would be had he been on a deeper team like MJ had is all I am saying.

This series yeah he didn't get any help from his teammates for the most part but these were the same guys that won 2 championships. The Spurs just wanted it more.

If he wanted to win so bad he should have accepted $1 million a year and went to SA or maybe Boston. It is not like he didn't have choices.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

LeBron played great for 1/4 of the game. I'll give him that.