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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:45 PM   #481
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Watching McCluster return punts has been one of the more painful things this season. He dances around, looking all indecisive, and then boom! he hits the hole....which is apparently filled with molasses or concrete or honey or caramel or some other ****ing viscous liquid that only seems to attach to his shoes while everyone around him runs free.
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:45 PM   #482
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Yup. He is one of the players like Boldin that if he has single coverage, hes open. Just have to give him a chance to make play.

Alex hopefully learns that sooner, rather than later.
This is a fantastic comparison.

I hope Bowe ends up with the sort of career Boldin has had. He certainly has the potential.
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:46 PM   #483
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Got me on Gonzo. It's hard to believe Bowe's been here that long.

Let me rephrase - he hasn't had a viable TE since 2008, and has done just fine.
Moeaki had 47 receptions, 3 TD's and 556 yards in 15 games. I'd call that a viable starting tight end.

Conversely, it's looking like Fasano and Kelce combined won't match that number this year due to injuries, which throws a large monkey-wrench into the WCO, which features the tight end position.
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:46 PM   #484
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I've never seen Charles be an effective 3rd and short back. I'd nuch rather go with the guy who's 230 to pick up 1 yard.
That's why I thought that Shaun Draughn would of made the team. Hes a decisive one cut runner.....
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Watching McCluster return punts has been one of the more painful things this season. He dances around, looking all indecisive, and then boom! he hits the hole....which is apparently filled with molasses or concrete or honey or caramel or some other ****ing viscous liquid that only seems to attach to his shoes.
McCluster is an asshole.

He's always been an asshole; San Diego MNF game aside.

There's no way the guy should have any supporters outside of blatant Ole Miss homers at this point.
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Watching McCluster return punts has been one of the more painful things this season. He dances around, looking all indecisive, and then boom! he hits the hole....which is apparently filled with molasses or concrete or honey or caramel or some other ****ing viscous liquid that only seems to attach to his shoes while everyone around him runs free.
i've never seen such a 'fast' and 'quick' player who has neither speed nor quickness...in that sense, he is truly amazing
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Watching McCluster return punts has been one of the more painful things this season. He dances around, looking all indecisive, and then boom! he hits the hole....which is apparently filled with molasses or concrete or honey or caramel or some other ****ing viscous liquid that only seems to attach to his shoes while everyone around him runs free.
At this point, I wish they had taken Sergio Kindle with that pick.

Sure, he was a major bust but he wouldn't be wasting a valuable roster spot four seasons later.
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:47 PM   #488
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TE isn't the issue. Smith refuses to throw to a guy that isn't wide open. He doesn't throw to the back shoulder of a wideout in man coverage. He doesn't throw to covered guy, putting it in a spot where is complete or nothing.

Watch what the great QBs do. It's not just about reading an offense and finding an open guy. They also know when to let the receiver make a play. They know how to put it in a good spot to a player in man coverage.

Smith doesn't do it. And for that reason, Bowe won't get shit for targets playing with him.
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McCluster is an asshole.

He's always been an asshole; San Diego MNF game aside.

There's no way the guy should have any supporters outside of blatant Ole Miss homers at this point.
Or lil wayne fans.....
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there is a long history of Chiefs fans hating on our best players while making excuses for shit heads

all Bowe has ever done, since the first time he stepped on a field, is produce...one shitty QB after another and he produced, and people complained about him pointing to his jersey (gasp!), or wanting to get paid (laz!), or now he is 'lackadaisical' according to Marcellus and our reeruned 49er fans

Albert..same thing...absolute stud as rookie, and fans spend 5 years wanting to move him to guard, and then claim he is selfish and not a leader, blah blah blah

Berry...one of the best rookie seasons by a safety ever..."he can't cover a TE, he suck! such a disappointment!"..i won't even link to the embarrassing thread that appeared here a couple a months ago about how overrated he was

but worthless shit heads like Cassel, McCluster, Jackson..holy jesus...excuses, excuses, excuses...for YEARS

and now because Smith is afraid to throw the ball to people who aren't wide open, well, it must mean Bowe is a problem...LACKADAISICAL in fact

yeah, genious (cp spelling, for our 49er idiots)
I think this view has more to do with you merging all disagreeing comments made by many posters into one imaginary representation of chiefs fans.
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alright, at least we've clarified that 49er nonsense about Bowe...

shit, I have actual work to do now
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i've never seen such a 'fast' and 'quick' player who has neither speed nor quickness...in that sense, he is truly amazing
OH, ha. You clearly have never seen Travis Benjamin play.

hes a 4.3 receiver who can neither separate, nor be shifty.
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I think this view has more to do with you merging all disagreeing comments made by many posters into one imaginary representation of chiefs fans.
no, i have a long memory

i know who has said what
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