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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

some numbers to chew on from arrowhead pride

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:25 PM   #571
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I just want to say one more thing to the ****ing "Know It All's":

Why would ANY of you expect Alex Smith to become a gunslinger? Why in the ****ing world would ANY of you expect his game to change in KC?

Pointing out his limitations is about as useful at this point as saying that Scott Pioli sucked.
Because Andy Reid told us he would?
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:25 PM   #572
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no, it makes you look stupid

we can discuss our offense and our QB without crybabies like you and Marcellus showing up to complain about it...

jesus, what are we supposed to do on a message board, just clap like seals all day?

it was interesting article from Arrowhead pride and the usual people just shoe up to complain people talking football...
This carries very little weight coming from the guy that complained bitterly for a very long time whenever anyone questioned Pioli for the first couple of years of his tenure.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:25 PM   #573
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Ok. You are correct and practically every other person on the planet is incorrect.
Just the Geno haters regurgitating some talking points are incorrect.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:26 PM   #574
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and I'd like to apologize for making people post in this thread....mea culpa, I shouldn't hold a gun to your head

plus, we knocked the "where to get a car painted the metro area?" thread off the first page...

to Dane and Marcellus, my deepest regrets
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:26 PM   #575
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no, it makes you look stupid

we can discuss our offense and our QB without crybabies like you and Marcellus showing up to complain about it...

jesus, what are we supposed to do on a message board, just clap like seals all day?

it was interesting article from Arrowhead pride and the usual people just shoe up to complain people talking football...
Really?

No, it makes you look like a bitter twat. You've been bitching about Smith since the day the trade was announced. The team is 3-0 and while the offensive has certainly struggled for MANY reasons, Smith has continued to play as he had in SF for the past two seasons.

Yet, you feel the need to tell us that he needs to throw downfield and throw to covered receivers, something he's never done in his career.

Yeah, that's a GREAT discussion. You're a real mensch.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:26 PM   #578
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Did I really just see Dane call people "Know It All's"?

Okay, I'm officially in bizzarro-world. Time to go ride my bike.
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I just want to say one more thing to the ****ing "Know It All's":

Why would ANY of you expect Alex Smith to become a gunslinger? Why in the ****ing world would ANY of you expect his game to change in KC?

Pointing out his limitations is about as useful at this point as saying that Scott Pioli sucked.
Actually the people that thought that were the ones on the Alex bandwagon.
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I don't think anyone believes we don't need to improve on offense.

The people who say its mainly Smith's fault are just feeding an agenda.

If Smith was sucking us down I would say he was.

Someone here earlier posted Smith made the most mistakes stalling the offense Thursday night.

Thats complete bullshit. Watch the ****ing game.
Our Oline isn't going to magically turn great. If its going to happen, its going to take time.

In the mean time, the playcalling and Smith need to do things to make the defense have to work. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to claim that Smith never has time to throw to the outside because of the line play, but anyone who watches the NFL knows that QBs don't need 5 seconds in the pocket to spread the defense.

Whether or not Smith is the #1 problem is irrelevant. He's the guy that gets paid to make it work. And based on what I've seen so far, what he's doing isn't going to make this team's success sustainable.
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Did I really just see Dane call people "Know It All's"?

Okay, I'm officially in bizzarro-world. Time to go ride my bike.


Yep. Time to go clean out the car for tomorrow's trip to KC.
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Keep it close, play defense, and don't turn it over. It's such a brilliant philosophy.

I hope the people pretending that everything is A-OK never say a bad thing about Marty Schottenheimer. He's the ****ing Grand Poobah of that religion.

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Beats the hell out of the 1980s Chiefs and it's a damn sight better then the 2012 Chiefs. I don't think anyone thinks everything is A-OK but there are things to be happy about and we are 3-0 with an imperfect team so there is hope.
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This carries very little weight coming from the guy that complained bitterly for a very long time whenever anyone questioned Pioli for the first couple of years of his tenure.
I've found posts where he didn't want the Chiefs to draft a QB because BRODIE CROYLE needed a chance.

Hey Talking Can, **** you. You're a clueless twat with a loose, bleeding vag.
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This carries very little weight coming from the guy that complained bitterly for a very long time whenever anyone questioned Pioli for the first couple of years of his tenure.


holy shit, I read this and thought you were referencing me at first...totally blew my circuits for a second, just about yelled in my office
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I've found posts where he didn't want the Chiefs to draft a QB because BRODIE CROYLE needed a chance.

Hey Talking Can, **** you. You're a clueless twat with a loose, bleeding vag.
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