Chiefs I think its time for the Cassel doubters to eat their crow - Page 10

**Baby Lee** · 12-19-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

**** all of that shit....Whoever says any of that stuff is going to extremes to either get a reaction or is just a moron.

The vast majority of people on CP (at least who actually made posts) were HIGHLY negative about Cassel and didn't think he would do shit this season.

They were wrong, period. No need to go any further than that...They were horribly horribly wrong about Cassel...

They can TRY to move the goal posts all they want to, because it makes them feel better....But deep down they know they didn't give him enough of a chance before they gave up on the kid. **** them...He is improving and has a ways to go, he proved he isn't garbage, he proved he is a pretty good QB, now lets see what else he can prove.

WTF

Note to self, a vast majority is nowhere NEAR an overwhelming majority, not even same ball park.

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-19-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

WTF

Note to self, a vast majority is nowhere NEAR an overwhelming majority, not even same ball park.

Wow...The thirrd straw man in a row...

Where does that say ANYTHING about wanting the guy to fail?

Are you a liar? Or just a complete ****ing reerun?

I really hope people go back and look at the ****ing bullshit you are trying to pull here....Maybe they already realize you are a douche bag, but this should prove it.

**Baby Lee** · 12-19-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Wow...The thirrd straw man in a row...

Where does that say ANYTHING about wanting the guy to fail?

Are you a liar? Or just a complete ****ing reerun?

I really hope people go back and look at the ****ing bullshit you are trying to pull here....Maybe they already realize you are a douche bag, but this should prove it.

You don't read so good. That post was in response to your indignation that I'd even suggest you'd use a phrase like overwhelming majority. And that was in reference to 'ever had anything at all nice to say about him'/'recognized the second coming back in April.'

It had NOTHING to do with the part about who supposedly wants Cassel to fail. I'm well aware that that contingent is referred to as 'some people' so we don't get into the messy matter of specific allegations that can be refuted or analyze in any way beyond snark./

**Baby Lee** · 12-19-2010, 06:00 PM

I'd think that this was stupidity, if you didn't selectively quote to AGAIN try to alter the terms of the debate

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

**** all of that shit....Whoever says any of that stuff is going to extremes to either get a reaction or is just a moron.

The vast majority of people on CP (at least who actually made posts) were HIGHLY negative about Cassel and didn't think he would do shit this season.

They were wrong, period. No need to go any further than that...They were horribly horribly wrong about Cassel...

They can TRY to move the goal posts all they want to, because it makes them feel better....But deep down they know they didn't give him enough of a chance before they gave up on the kid. **** them...He is improving and has a ways to go, he proved he isn't garbage, he proved he is a pretty good QB, now lets see what else he can prove.

So you've identified your offending party and what they've done wrong.

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Hey Browneyes, you're fighting a strawman utterly of your own invention.

Plenty of people, myself EXPRESSLY, were of the mindset 'I pray daily that the lights come on, but I increasingly fear they won't.'

First identified my target party of a sizeable contingent of people who didn't fit your definition

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And sure there were a number who were vocal at every instance that reinforced those fears, but that's just passionate fans watching the evidence mount.

Then I identified a smaller contingent that might've come closer to your beef, and pointed out that it wasn't having nothing good to say about him as much as it was real time passionate reaction when the evidence counter to something good showed up on the field [and remember, this was well before you set up your April time frame after the fact]

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And the number to 'WANT' him to fail just to be right are miniscule, perhaps isolated to Mecca, certainly not the 'overwhelming majority.'

If it wasn't clear from the 'miniscule' and 'isolated to mecca,' I wasn't literally positing that you thought the majority thought that. I was just trying to tie back in an amusing way the initial premise. As in,
the first group wasn't an vast majority,
and neither was the second,
and CERTAINLY not the third [which, as I already noted, you guys like to ominously refer to as 'some people'].

Basically, I was identifying as many camps of 'detractors' as I could and pointing out that no amalgamation of them comprise the 'vast majority' you posit.

If you indeed thought I was trying to pin that absurd claim on you I'll go ahead and apologize. But it seems pretty clear to me that I was doing no such thing.

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-19-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

If you indeed thought I was trying to pin that absurd claim on you I'll go ahead and apologize. But it seems pretty clear to me that I was doing no such thing.

I did, and I think if you go back and put yourself in my shoes and read it from my perspective, you would too..but I will accept the apology..Thanks..

It sucks only having text to communicate with....alot of shit is lost....

/brofist

milkman · 12-19-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I did, and I think if you go back and put yourself in my shoes and read it from my perspective, you would too..but I will accept the apology..Thanks..

It sucks only having text to communicate with....alot of shit is lost....

/brofist

Now we have a problem.

Brofist?

Brofist?

I ****ing hate brofist!

**RealSNR** · 12-19-2010, 04:52 PM

I don't want another Gannon/Grbac/Green. I want a guy who's tough, wins games, and puts us in the playoffs year after year.

Cassel's improved by leaps and bounds, but he's in the show-me state.

A playoff win this January will change my opinion of him. I've said that since July. I just doubted his chances. I think he's got a good shot of doing that.

milkman · 12-19-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I don't want another Gannon/Grbac/Green. I want a guy who's tough, wins games, and puts us in the playoffs year after year.

Cassel's improved by leaps and bounds, but he's in the show-me state.

A playoff win this January will change my opinion of him. I've said that since July. I just doubted his chances. I think he's got a good shot of doing that.

I don't think that the Chiefs can win a playoff game this year, and it won't be because Cassel isn't good enough.

**alanm** · 12-19-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't think that the Chiefs can win a playoff game this year, and it won't be because Cassel isn't good enough.

It will be because of the line play on both sides of the ball.

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-19-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

A playoff win this January will change my opinion of him. I've said that since July.

In July no one realistically thought we could make the playoffs. That just goes to show everyone how unreasonable this kind of attitude is. We STILL might not make the playoffs if we lose one of the next two games...Does that suddenly nullify everything Cassel has accomplished this season? Your expectations of winning a playoff game are ridiculous now and were even more crazy back in July.....Why not just take it for what it is...A Huge HUGE improvement over the last few seasons and a big step in the right direction.....Something we have not been able to say as a team in a long ass time.

Just Passin' By · 12-19-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

In July no one realistically thought we could make the playoffs. That just goes to show everyone how unreasonable this kind of attitude is. We STILL might not make the playoffs if we lose one of the next two games...Does that suddenly nullify everything Cassel has accomplished this season? Your expectations of winning a playoff game are ridiculous now and were even more crazy back in July.....Why not just take it for what it is...A Huge HUGE improvement over the last few seasons and a big step in the right direction.....Something we have not been able to say as a team in a long ass time.

You're wasting your time. It seems that long years of losing have turned a chunk of the Chiefs posters here into drooling idiots. One of the Brees/E. Manning/Rodgers trio will likely miss the NFC playoffs this season. Rivers and P. Manning are both still in danger of missing the AFC playoffs. Using the logic of some on this board, that could mean that at least some those 5 QBs suck ass and aren't capable of taking their teams to the Super Bowl.

If only those teams had Brodie Croyle or Tyler Thigpen...

chiefzilla1501 · 12-19-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I don't want another Gannon/Grbac/Green. I want a guy who's tough, wins games, and puts us in the playoffs year after year.

Cassel's improved by leaps and bounds, but he's in the show-me state.

A playoff win this January will change my opinion of him. I've said that since July. I just doubted his chances. I think he's got a good shot of doing that.

You're asking a QB to carry a team that is likely going to be outmatched in every phase of the game and is probably young and make mistakes.

Asking for a playoff win should not be a measuring stick for Cassel. I want to see him perform well in the playoffs and to not make stupid mistakes. And I don't want the Chiefs to lose as a result of Cassel not making plays he's supposed to make. That I agree with. But asking him to likely carry a substandard team to victory regardless of how well the supporting cast plays is a whole other issue entirely.

|Zach| · 12-19-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You're asking a QB to carry a team that is likely going to be outmatched in every phase of the game and is probably young and make mistakes.

What?

Come. on.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-19-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

What?

Come. on.

Sorry to break it to you. Revis is going to dominate Bowe. Both the Jets and the Ravens are probably going to overpower our offensive line. The Jets and Ravens both have phenomenal offensive lines that are going to make it extremely difficult for us to rush the passer and control the line of scrimmage. And the Steelers and Pats...?

Let's not set ourselves up for too high of expectations. This is an ascending team that is not quite yet ready for primetime. We can pull off a playoff win if the opponent makes mistakes and we don't, if our opponent comes out unready and we do, if their QB or key player makes too many dumb mistakes, and by outcoaching the other team (probably a combo of all). But there's only so far you can stretch out a talent gap.

I want to win a playoff game too. But it's going to take a whale of a performance to do it. And it's not something I think is critical at this stage in the rebulid anyway.

|Zach| · 12-19-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Sorry to break it to you. Revis is going to dominate Bowe. Both the Jets and the Ravens are probably going to overpower our offensive line. The Jets and Ravens both have phenomenal offensive lines that are going to make it extremely difficult for us to rush the passer and control the line of scrimmage. And the Steelers and Pats...?

Let's not set ourselves up for too high of expectations. This is an ascending team that is not quite yet ready for primetime. We can pull off a playoff win if the opponent makes mistakes and we don't, if our opponent comes out unready and we do, if their QB or key player makes too many dumb mistakes, and by outcoaching the other team (probably a combo of all). But there's only so far you can stretch out a talent gap.

I want to win a playoff game too. But it's going to take a whale of a performance to do it. And it's not something I think is critical at this stage in the rebulid anyway.

What does the Jets having Revis have to do with us being outmatched in every phase of the game like you said.

Have you seen the Jets play with your eyes?