Grading Carl Peterson's offseason moves....

CHIEF4EVER · 03-09-2005, 10:38 AM

[rant]I just got back from the road and finally have a few days off to get my Planet fix. However, I have been closely following the personnel moves (non moves) on Sirius NFL channel. I grade Peterson's performance as follows:

1) Not signing Samari Rolle. F-

We had him here and nobody in this world can tell me they believe the BS reason CP gave as to why they didn't sign him. "Narrowing of the Spine"? Just how friggin stupid does Peterson think we are? When I heard that, the Peterson Screwed-the-Pooch O Meter went off the fuggin scale.

2) Signing Kendrell Bell. C (at best).

We don't sign a perfectly healthy top notch corner who is rarely injured if at all; but instead sign a LB who is top notch WHEN HEALTHY. The same one who missed all but 3 games last year because HE WAS INJURED. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE the signing. It was the sheer illogic of it that makes me want to take a chain saw to Peterson's car. Not to mention, why sign a player that has a history of injury in all but his rookie year over one (Ed Hartwell) who is young and healthy to a long term deal?

3) Not signing Fred Smoot. F-

After NOT signing Rolle, he fuggs this up too. If we had gotten Bell and Smoot I would have been exstatic. But, we have Bell and nothing else at this point. Granted, the new rules make a shutdown corner an anachronism but we still play in a Division with the likes of Lelie, Moss, etc.... Can anyone confidently say that Crispy, Toasty or McNugget can cover Moss for even a few seconds? Corner is still a high priority. Nice job Carl.

Summary: Final grade thus far...D-

Our offense isn't getting any younger and we have 1 or maybe 2 runs at the big dance left before the offense has to be retooled. I had hoped CP and Co would go all out for a run NOW by getting as many (within financial boundaries) defensive upgrades as possible. I have been in CP's corner for many years now but this offseason is making me rethink that position. If the remaining offseason moves (FA and draft) don't give us a middle of the rod defense AT THE VERY LEAST, I am all for dragging our GM through the streets behind his own SUV by his entrails. Mr Peterson, if you want to mess up a team please go elsewhere and do so. [/rant]

nascher · 03-09-2005, 10:42 AM

Smoot wasn't even in KC ??? Skip IT

Bell B+ if healthy
Rolle C- Baltimore offered him simply more Money in the first years that KC could affort.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 10:43 AM

I think I will wait until Free Agency is over [that would be in late July, by the way] before I presume to issue a grade.

I tend to wait until I have some evidence before I slap down a judgment.

Out of fashion, I know, but what can you do?

xoxo~
Gaz
Funny that way.

CHIEF4EVER · 03-09-2005, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

I think I will wait until Free Agency is over [that would be in late July, by the way] before I presume to issue a grade.

I tend to wait until I have some evidence before I slap down a judgment.

Out of fashion, I know, but what can you do?

xoxo~
Gaz
Funny that way.

I probably should have said "thus far". Note that I did add the caveat "if the remaining offseason moves FA and draft don't produce a middle of the road D" BEFORE any mention of entrail dragging behind large motorized conveyances.

Robert <----- clearing the muddy waters........

Logical · 03-09-2005, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

I think I will wait until Free Agency is over [that would be in late July, by the way] before I presume to issue a grade.

I tend to wait until I have some evidence before I slap down a judgment.

Out of fashion, I know, but what can you do?

xoxo~
Gaz
Funny that way.

Gaz while technically true, who have we picked up after the draft in past offseasons that made a significant difference??

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Gaz while technically true, who have we picked up after the draft in past offseasons that made a significant difference??

I don’t know.

How many times has our Defense been so wretchedly bad that the Chiefs publicly proclaimed that we need new LBs & CBs?

The thing is, FA lasts until July 22nd. Until that time, we cannot accurately or fairly judge any team’s FA moves.

That, of course, assumes that we have a passing interest in accuracy or fairness.

xoxo~
Gaz
Not sure that applies to the Planet.

Logical · 03-09-2005, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

I don’t know.

How many times has our Defense been so wretchedly bad that the Chiefs publicly proclaimed that we need new LBs & CBs?

The thing is, FA lasts until July 22nd. Until that time, we cannot accurately or fairly judge any team’s FA moves.

That, of course, assumes that we have a passing interest in accuracy or fairness.

xoxo~
Gaz
Not sure that applies to the Planet.

My real point is that an impact free agent freeing up after the draft is extremely rare. If we have not got the player by the draft The Refrigerator is Closed, the Eggs are chilling, and the Beer is getting cold.

KCTitus · 03-09-2005, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

My real point is that an impact free agent freeing up after the draft is extremely rare. If we have not got the player by the draft The Refrigerator is Closed, the Eggs are chilling, and the Beer is getting cold.

I think it's at this point where I note that Holmes and Green were acquired around draft time...

Let the flames begin.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 12:25 PM

Vlad Logicslav-

Well, there is a difference between thee and me.

I chose to wait until FA is over to make a pronouncement.

Must be an Engineer thing…

xoxo~
Gaz
Bases his judgments on those pesky old facts.

Hoover · 03-09-2005, 10:45 AM

I think that is really harsh.

Not Signing Rolle is worth an F

Rolle was the top FA, and he was there for the taking.

Trotter - I
We offered more cash for him to play here, he went back to philly, what else can we do?

Smoot - I
Smoot got a 10.8M signing bonus, 200K less than Rolle, is Smoot worth it? I don't think so.

Bell - A

I think the Bell signing will be huge. I liked Trotter, I like Hartwell, but are either of those guys playmakers? No. IMO, we just got a Derrick Thomas type player for a 3.5 M siging Bonus.

While I'm pissed about Rolle, I'm going to wait till I cast my judgement. If Carl Brings in Surtain or Law I'll give him an A for this offseason.

Wallcrawler · 03-09-2005, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover

Bell - A

I think the Bell signing will be huge.

IMO, we just got a Derrick Thomas type player for a 3.5 M siging Bonus.

Do you hear that sound?

Thats the sound of your credibility being flushed down the toilet.

You just compared Kendrell Bell to one of the greatest linebackers of all time, Derrick Thomas. You are officially section 8. Seek immediate psychiatric help.

He had a great rookie season, and then a couple pretty decent seasons afterward. Then the injuries.

Lots of guys have a single pro bowl appearance on their resume. That doesnt put them in the same category as DT.

Just because the guy shows up to Arrowhead Stadium sporting a DT jersey doesnt put him in the same league as he was.

Seriously now. I think this team's lack of a playmaker on defense has seriously altered the mental state of some people. When a decent player (when healthy) is signed and DT comparisons start popping up, its time to step back and look at the situation a bit more closely.

Kendrell Bell is better than Kawika Mitchell, if he can stay on the field. When he starts putting up double digit sack numbers yearly, and racking up Pro Bowl appearances, then I might consider putting him in the category of "Derrick Thomas Type" of player.

Until then, head on down the hall for your straightjacket fitting.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Stinger

...You just compared Kendrell Bell to one of the greatest linebackers of all time, Derrick Thomas...

Although it will no doubt earn me a flurry of blows to the head, I have to disagree on Thomas. He was one of the best pass rushers, but hardly a great Linebacker. It was for exactly that reason that he did not make it into the Hall of Fame.

xoxo~
Gaz
Gonna need his helmet.

MGRS13 · 03-09-2005, 10:48 AM

Don't you mean move? So far a D+ but an F if all we get is Bell and Sammy Knight which by the way is my prediction.

eazyb81 · 03-09-2005, 10:52 AM

I think the Bell signing is an A if he stays on the field (which he should). His injuries aren't the type that will linger with him, they are more freakish injuries like a sports hernia from trying to squat too much weight. I would be worried about Bell if he had knee problems or something like that, but he doesn't and he is a Pro Bowl LB when he plays.

KCTitus · 03-09-2005, 11:06 AM

Can we go ahead and grade the draft now, too?

03-09-2005, 10:38 AM	Topic Starter
CHIEF4EVER Just a man in the 'ghan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jalalabad, Afghanistan Casino cash: $10004900	Grading Carl Peterson's offseason moves.... [rant]I just got back from the road and finally have a few days off to get my Planet fix. However, I have been closely following the personnel moves (non moves) on Sirius NFL channel. I grade Peterson's performance as follows: 1) Not signing Samari Rolle. F- We had him here and nobody in this world can tell me they believe the BS reason CP gave as to why they didn't sign him. "Narrowing of the Spine"? Just how friggin stupid does Peterson think we are? When I heard that, the Peterson Screwed-the-Pooch O Meter went off the fuggin scale. 2) Signing Kendrell Bell. C (at best). We don't sign a perfectly healthy top notch corner who is rarely injured if at all; but instead sign a LB who is top notch WHEN HEALTHY. The same one who missed all but 3 games last year because HE WAS INJURED. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE the signing. It was the sheer illogic of it that makes me want to take a chain saw to Peterson's car. Not to mention, why sign a player that has a history of injury in all but his rookie year over one (Ed Hartwell) who is young and healthy to a long term deal? 3) Not signing Fred Smoot. F- After NOT signing Rolle, he fuggs this up too. If we had gotten Bell and Smoot I would have been exstatic. But, we have Bell and nothing else at this point. Granted, the new rules make a shutdown corner an anachronism but we still play in a Division with the likes of Lelie, Moss, etc.... Can anyone confidently say that Crispy, Toasty or McNugget can cover Moss for even a few seconds? Corner is still a high priority. Nice job Carl. Summary: Final grade thus far...D- Our offense isn't getting any younger and we have 1 or maybe 2 runs at the big dance left before the offense has to be retooled. I had hoped CP and Co would go all out for a run NOW by getting as many (within financial boundaries) defensive upgrades as possible. I have been in CP's corner for many years now but this offseason is making me rethink that position. If the remaining offseason moves (FA and draft) don't give us a middle of the rod defense AT THE VERY LEAST, I am all for dragging our GM through the streets behind his own SUV by his entrails. Mr Peterson, if you want to mess up a team please go elsewhere and do so. [/rant]
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03-09-2005, 10:42 AM	#2
nascher Veteran Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hamburg Germany Casino cash: $9994980	Smoot wasn't even in KC ??? Skip IT Bell B+ if healthy Rolle C- Baltimore offered him simply more Money in the first years that KC could affort.
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03-09-2005, 10:43 AM	#3
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Premature, much? I think I will wait until Free Agency is over [that would be in late July, by the way] before I presume to issue a grade. I tend to wait until I have some evidence before I slap down a judgment. Out of fashion, I know, but what can you do? xoxo~ Gaz Funny that way.
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03-09-2005, 12:25 PM	#9
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Well, if you are in a hurry, then you are in a hurry... Vlad Logicslav- Well, there is a difference between thee and me. I chose to wait until FA is over to make a pronouncement. Must be an Engineer thing… xoxo~ Gaz Bases his judgments on those pesky old facts.
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03-09-2005, 10:45 AM	#10
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1688179	I think that is really harsh. Not Signing Rolle is worth an F Rolle was the top FA, and he was there for the taking. Trotter - I We offered more cash for him to play here, he went back to philly, what else can we do? Smoot - I Smoot got a 10.8M signing bonus, 200K less than Rolle, is Smoot worth it? I don't think so. Bell - A I think the Bell signing will be huge. I liked Trotter, I like Hartwell, but are either of those guys playmakers? No. IMO, we just got a Derrick Thomas type player for a 3.5 M siging Bonus. While I'm pissed about Rolle, I'm going to wait till I cast my judgement. If Carl Brings in Surtain or Law I'll give him an A for this offseason.
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03-09-2005, 10:48 AM	#13
MGRS13 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Home in KC Casino cash: $10074930	Don't you mean move? So far a D+ but an F if all we get is Bell and Sammy Knight which by the way is my prediction. __________________ There’s a gleam!
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03-09-2005, 10:52 AM	#14
eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $10004900	I think the Bell signing is an A if he stays on the field (which he should). His injuries aren't the type that will linger with him, they are more freakish injuries like a sports hernia from trying to squat too much weight. I would be worried about Bell if he had knee problems or something like that, but he doesn't and he is a Pro Bowl LB when he plays.
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03-09-2005, 11:06 AM	#15
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9902732	Can we go ahead and grade the draft now, too? __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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