The Carl Peterson Years.....1995 - Page 3

shaneo69 · 12-03-2004, 08:29 PM

7th in a series…..

UFA additions: Jeff Criswell, Rich Gannon, James Hasty, Brian Washington, Martin Bayless, Webster Slaughter, Leroy Thompson
Trade addition: Victor Bailey (for a 1995 2nd rounder)
Street free agents: Tony Richardson, Keith Traylor

Veteran losses: J.J. Birden, Derrick Graham, Jimmie Johnson, Eric Martin, Charles Mincy, David Whitmore, Arnold Ale, Ron Dickerson, Jaime Fields, Tracy Greene, Monty Grow, Lindsay Knapp, Greg Kragen, Jay Taylor, Jon Vaughn, Rob Waldrop, Bracy Walker
Retired: Joe Montana

1995 Draft

1) (pick 31 overall) Trezelle Jenkins (scouting report from Lindy’s 1995 Pro Football Annual called him “a stretch, and not just because he’s 6’7, 322. Not real dedicated and not good on technique, but the skills are there. Moves ok. If KC coaches can reach him, he can turn into a monster blocker. If not, will be a dud.” Bobby Taylor was taken 19 picks later.)

2) traded to Eagles for Victor Bailey, who was active for two games in two years with the Chiefs

3a) Tamarick Vanover (special teams playmaking ability was offset by lack of production on offense and his criminal activity; Antonio Freeman was taken 9 picks later by Green Bay)

3b) Troy Dumas (played in 13 games with no starts in his KC career; Ken Irvin, a decent CB, was taken 12 picks later)

4) Steve Stenstrom (never played for the Chiefs; quote from Lindy’s ’95 Pro Football Annual: “Stenstrom has been compared to Steve Walsh, which means his best days were in college.” Stephen Boyd and John Holecek, who both started at ILB for four years in the league, were taken in the next 10 picks)

5a) Mike Pelton, DT (never played in the NFL; DT Norman Hand was taken 3 picks later)

5b) Jerrott Willard, LB (played in one game for the Chiefs; Travis Hall, a six year starter at DT for Atlanta, was taken 17 picks later by the Falcons)

6a) Bryan Proby, DT (played in 3 games for the Chiefs; Charles Way, a good FB who was a 4 year starter for the Giants before injuries ended his career, was taken 4 picks after Proby)

6b) Tom Barndt (great pick, became 3 year starter at NT/DT, but the Chiefs coaches wasted his first two years in the league trying to turn him into a OT)

7) no pick (the Rams starting OG’s in the ’99 Super Bowl were both drafted in this round, as were solid players Chad Cota, Byron Chamberlain, Chad Eaton, Jason Fisk, and Siegried and Roy-hater Cole Ford)

1995 Starters:
S. Bono, K. Anders, M. Allen, W. Davis, L. Dawson/W. Slaughter, K. Cash, J. Alt, D. Szott, T. Grunhard, W. Shields, R. Siglar
N. Smith, D. Saleaumua, J. Phillips, V. Booker/D. Mickell, G. Jamison, T. Simien, D. Thomas, D. Carter, J. Hasty, M. Collins, B. Washington
L. Elliott, L. Aguiar

Couple notes about ’95…..it’s amazing that we were able to improve from 9-7 in Montana’s last year to 13-3 in Bono’s first year. Besides the downgrade at QB, Lake Dawson and Webster Slaughter barely matched J.J. Birden’s previous production at WR.

On defense, Gunther Cunningham replaced Dave Adolph, who moved to San Diego, and Schottenheimer totally rebuilt the secondary, adding Hasty at CB and Brian Washington at SS, and moving Mark Collins from CB to FS. Chiefs gave up the least points in the league.

shaneo69 · 12-03-2004, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MonroeChief

Just for the asking, why do you call me Gretz?

Because you spew the same propaganda that we read everyday on KCChiefs.com from Gretz and Rufus.

It's never one person's fault; therefore, nobody deserves to be fired.....right?

Actually, you're probably right that Peterson only deserves some of the blame and that it's not solely his fault. But here's the thing.....if Peterson was fired, the next President/GM would most likely fire all the other culprits besides CP who deserve the rest of the blame.......DV, Stiles, Kuharich, the scouts, etc.

Peterson's biggest problem is that he refuses to do what needs to be done, because he doesn't want to upset his good 'ol boy network.

MonroeChief · 12-03-2004, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Pick up your lemming suit from the dry cleaners-it's ready.

You are wrong, my suit still has the chees stains from your whining session. It may never come back!!!

Buy the Chiefs and make the changes. Then you won't have to pay the thousands of dollars to watch the game, they will all be comped.

MonroeChief · 12-03-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

Because you spew the same propaganda that we read everyday on KCChiefs.com from Gretz and Rufus.

It's never one person's fault; therefore, nobody deserves to be fired.....right?

Actually, you're probably right that Peterson only deserves some of the blame and that it's not solely his fault. But here's the thing.....if Peterson was fired, the next President/GM would most likely fire all the other culprits besides CP who deserve the rest of the blame.......DV, Stiles, Kuharich, the scouts, etc.

Peterson's biggest problem is that he refuses to do what needs to be done, because he doesn't want to upset his good 'ol boy network.

What propaganda? You can blame CP for everything, but you cannot expect a new GM to fire everyone. I don't think anyone has the balls to do that.

BigChiefFan · 12-03-2004, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MonroeChief

You are wrong, my suit still has the chees stains from your whining session. It may never come back!!!

Buy the Chiefs and make the changes. Then you won't have to pay the thousands of dollars to watch the game, they will all be comped.

Sorry I'm not a lemming like the Chiefs would like to have in all their fans, but tough shit. You just sit back and enjoy all the shit they are serving you. MMM MMM good.

shaneo69 · 12-03-2004, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MonroeChief

What propaganda? You can blame CP for everything, but you cannot expect a new GM to fire everyone. I don't think anyone has the balls to do that.

So how many guys do you think your buddy Carl kept on from the Chiefs previous regime when he was hired in 1988?

MonroeChief · 12-03-2004, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

So how many guys do you think your buddy Carl kept on from the Chiefs previous regime when he was hired in 1988?

I wasn't watching, but on December 24th I'll be able to scan the history of the Chiefs and tell you who stayed and who left.

Logical · 12-03-2004, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

So how many guys do you think your buddy Carl kept on from the Chiefs previous regime when he was hired in 1988?

He is playing a game here by using the word all. It is true that people like the head of security, concessions, accounting were probably kept on and would be if a new GM was named. But cleaning house for coaching staff and football operations is not at all unusual. The Chargers did it just a few years back.

MonroeChief · 12-03-2004, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

He is playing a game here by using the word all. It is true that people like the head of security, concessions, accounting were probably kept on and would be if a new GM was named. But cleaning house for coaching staff and football operations is not at all unusual. The Chargers did it just a few years back.

I don't have ready access to the media guide. It has the total history of the franchise as well as who was working at what position when.

Those answers will have to come later.

BigChiefFan · 12-03-2004, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

He is playing a game here by using the word all. It is true that people like the head of security, concessions, accounting were probably kept on and would be if a new GM was named. But cleaning house for coaching staff and football operations is not at all unusual. The Chargers did it just a few years back.

After seeing posts like we've read lately, I'm beginning to think the Chiefs PR department is out in full force, possibly even posting on message boards, because it's very clear that Carl has failed 16 years in a row and some still defend it like we can't see with our own two eyes.

MonroeChief · 12-03-2004, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

After seeing posts like we've read lately, I'm beginning to think the Chiefs PR department is out in full force, possibly even posting on message boards, because it's very clear that Carl has failed 16 years in a row and some still defend it like we can't see with our own two eyes.

Just to ease your mind, I am not part of the PR department. I don't work for the Chiefs or for the press in KC or any other town. I am not a network person, I don't work for any TV or Radio station.

I am a Chiefs fan. If they win 1 game out of 16 I will still be a Chiefs fan. I will refuse to sling mud at what they do for a living. I am entertained when I watch the team play. I hate it when they lose, but there can only be one winner at the end of the year and the odds to that are at best 31-1.

Cry in your beer if you must, but if you can only be happy if they win the SuperBowl you might be unhappy for longer than 34 years. Winning the SuperBowl will only bring you a moment of happiness and then you will fall back into your old ways.

Lotsa luck.

shaneo69 · 12-04-2004, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MonroeChief

I don't have ready access to the media guide. It has the total history of the franchise as well as who was working at what position when.

Those answers will have to come later.

I'll be here.

BigChiefFan · 12-04-2004, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MonroeChief

Just to ease your mind, I am not part of the PR department. I don't work for the Chiefs or for the press in KC or any other town. I am not a network person, I don't work for any TV or Radio station.

I am a Chiefs fan. If they win 1 game out of 16 I will still be a Chiefs fan. I will refuse to sling mud at what they do for a living. I am entertained when I watch the team play. I hate it when they lose, but there can only be one winner at the end of the year and the odds to that are at best 31-1.

Cry in your beer if you must, but if you can only be happy if they win the SuperBowl you might be unhappy for longer than 34 years. Winning the SuperBowl will only bring you a moment of happiness and then you will fall back into your old ways.

Lotsa luck.

Obviously I'm a Chief fan, too because I'm still here after this dismal season. We both want the same things, the difference is you are still pleased with Carl Peterson and I believe he has had more than ample time to make it happen and continued to fail. I do think he has done some positive things for the Chiefs, but I honestly believe his tenure has run its course and I would welcome a change.

**Manila-Chief** · 12-04-2004, 04:31 AM

Monroe, Just curious ... how long you been a Chiefs fan? I don't see your name on the list of those who watched us play in 2 S.B.'s ... My point is some of the younger guys are content with watching them "play good." Most of us who have been around for a while really do believe that it is time we at least went to a S.B. .... And yes in our front office ... the buck stops with Kingless coz he has complete control!!! The coaches may not coach or players may not play ... but it's his responsibility ... plus ... the topic of his thread is poor draft picks ... it doesn't take an expert to realize Kingless has done a very bad job of drafting!!! Compare N.E. if you want a comparision!!!

shaneo69 and BigChief .... I'm with you guys ... Kingless' drafts are horrible.... a coach can draw up all the X's & O's but if the talent is not there ..... well, the D can't stop a team when the need to stop them...

He has no ability for judging talent ... It's not only with the stars on the team but the guys who should be good solid player who can just do their job... How many of our 2nd. rounders are starting .... and yes, compare that stat with N.E. .... Kingless wants the credit for running a franchise with a low budget ... that doesn't go over board on FA's ... only problem ... the ones he gets don't help us win!!!

Enough is enough... bring in some new blood ... we may go through a down time but at least it will bring in some fresh hope for the future. Right now ... I don't think we will ever win a S.B. under Kingless and D.V. .... D.V. lucked into one S.B. win ... and it is questionable if he can do it again????

Deberg_1990 · 12-04-2004, 12:04 PM

God what a horrible draft......Well, I guess Vanover won a few games for us, but the others drafted werent even worth the time you spent to type out their names. Thanks for the bad memories!!!

Calcountry · 12-04-2004, 03:06 PM

If the Armor piercing bullet would have been 2 inches more to the left, I wouldn't exist right now.

Some of you probably wish it had, but, oh well wtf.

What I am saying is hindsight is always 20/20

We could have one every super bowl had we had a crystal ball and picked all the players that panned out the best, but then so could every other team.

I do not excuse Carl for not chitting out and getting lucky once in a while. It seems as though he consistently fugs it up if all you know it alls are correctl. Carry on.

12-03-2004, 08:29 PM
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	The Carl Peterson Years.....1995 7th in a series….. UFA additions: Jeff Criswell, Rich Gannon, James Hasty, Brian Washington, Martin Bayless, Webster Slaughter, Leroy Thompson Trade addition: Victor Bailey (for a 1995 2nd rounder) Street free agents: Tony Richardson, Keith Traylor Veteran losses: J.J. Birden, Derrick Graham, Jimmie Johnson, Eric Martin, Charles Mincy, David Whitmore, Arnold Ale, Ron Dickerson, Jaime Fields, Tracy Greene, Monty Grow, Lindsay Knapp, Greg Kragen, Jay Taylor, Jon Vaughn, Rob Waldrop, Bracy Walker Retired: Joe Montana 1995 Draft 1) (pick 31 overall) Trezelle Jenkins (scouting report from Lindy’s 1995 Pro Football Annual called him “a stretch, and not just because he’s 6’7, 322. Not real dedicated and not good on technique, but the skills are there. Moves ok. If KC coaches can reach him, he can turn into a monster blocker. If not, will be a dud.” Bobby Taylor was taken 19 picks later.) 2) traded to Eagles for Victor Bailey, who was active for two games in two years with the Chiefs 3a) Tamarick Vanover (special teams playmaking ability was offset by lack of production on offense and his criminal activity; Antonio Freeman was taken 9 picks later by Green Bay) 3b) Troy Dumas (played in 13 games with no starts in his KC career; Ken Irvin, a decent CB, was taken 12 picks later) 4) Steve Stenstrom (never played for the Chiefs; quote from Lindy’s ’95 Pro Football Annual: “Stenstrom has been compared to Steve Walsh, which means his best days were in college.” Stephen Boyd and John Holecek, who both started at ILB for four years in the league, were taken in the next 10 picks) 5a) Mike Pelton, DT (never played in the NFL; DT Norman Hand was taken 3 picks later) 5b) Jerrott Willard, LB (played in one game for the Chiefs; Travis Hall, a six year starter at DT for Atlanta, was taken 17 picks later by the Falcons) 6a) Bryan Proby, DT (played in 3 games for the Chiefs; Charles Way, a good FB who was a 4 year starter for the Giants before injuries ended his career, was taken 4 picks after Proby) 6b) Tom Barndt (great pick, became 3 year starter at NT/DT, but the Chiefs coaches wasted his first two years in the league trying to turn him into a OT) 7) no pick (the Rams starting OG’s in the ’99 Super Bowl were both drafted in this round, as were solid players Chad Cota, Byron Chamberlain, Chad Eaton, Jason Fisk, and Siegried and Roy-hater Cole Ford) 1995 Starters: S. Bono, K. Anders, M. Allen, W. Davis, L. Dawson/W. Slaughter, K. Cash, J. Alt, D. Szott, T. Grunhard, W. Shields, R. Siglar N. Smith, D. Saleaumua, J. Phillips, V. Booker/D. Mickell, G. Jamison, T. Simien, D. Thomas, D. Carter, J. Hasty, M. Collins, B. Washington L. Elliott, L. Aguiar Couple notes about ’95…..it’s amazing that we were able to improve from 9-7 in Montana’s last year to 13-3 in Bono’s first year. Besides the downgrade at QB, Lake Dawson and Webster Slaughter barely matched J.J. Birden’s previous production at WR. On defense, Gunther Cunningham replaced Dave Adolph, who moved to San Diego, and Schottenheimer totally rebuilt the secondary, adding Hasty at CB and Brian Washington at SS, and moving Mark Collins from CB to FS. Chiefs gave up the least points in the league.
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12-04-2004, 04:31 AM	#43
Manila-Chief Supporter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Memphis/Miss Casino cash: $10006883	Monroe, Just curious ... how long you been a Chiefs fan? I don't see your name on the list of those who watched us play in 2 S.B.'s ... My point is some of the younger guys are content with watching them "play good." Most of us who have been around for a while really do believe that it is time we at least went to a S.B. .... And yes in our front office ... the buck stops with Kingless coz he has complete control!!! The coaches may not coach or players may not play ... but it's his responsibility ... plus ... the topic of his thread is poor draft picks ... it doesn't take an expert to realize Kingless has done a very bad job of drafting!!! Compare N.E. if you want a comparision!!! shaneo69 and BigChief .... I'm with you guys ... Kingless' drafts are horrible.... a coach can draw up all the X's & O's but if the talent is not there ..... well, the D can't stop a team when the need to stop them... He has no ability for judging talent ... It's not only with the stars on the team but the guys who should be good solid player who can just do their job... How many of our 2nd. rounders are starting .... and yes, compare that stat with N.E. .... Kingless wants the credit for running a franchise with a low budget ... that doesn't go over board on FA's ... only problem ... the ones he gets don't help us win!!! Enough is enough... bring in some new blood ... we may go through a down time but at least it will bring in some fresh hope for the future. Right now ... I don't think we will ever win a S.B. under Kingless and D.V. .... D.V. lucked into one S.B. win ... and it is questionable if he can do it again???? Last edited by Manila-Chief; 12-04-2004 at 04:37 AM..
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12-04-2004, 12:04 PM	#44
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	God what a horrible draft......Well, I guess Vanover won a few games for us, but the others drafted werent even worth the time you spent to type out their names. Thanks for the bad memories!!!
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12-04-2004, 03:06 PM	#45
Calcountry Shoot the tube Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $8721645	If the Armor piercing bullet would have been 2 inches more to the left, I wouldn't exist right now. Some of you probably wish it had, but, oh well wtf. What I am saying is hindsight is always 20/20 We could have one every super bowl had we had a crystal ball and picked all the players that panned out the best, but then so could every other team. I do not excuse Carl for not chitting out and getting lucky once in a while. It seems as though he consistently fugs it up if all you know it alls are correctl. Carry on.
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