Was this off season more fun than last? - Page 6

58Forever · 04-25-2001, 08:00 AM

Let's see last year all we could talk about was Corey Dillon...

I'd say with all the wheelings and dealings and ****ing with the Rams...getting Green, Holmes, Horne, losing Grbac, McGlockton, Hasty...

This off season gave us much more to argue about...and not many rumors...I am psyched...I'm not ready for the Summer to be over, but I'm ready for some football....:cool:

KCTitus · 04-26-2001, 11:12 AM

Talk about memory sucking...

Carl chose not to resign Carter and we all knew why. He let Denver take on that mental case. THAT was no suprise.

Signing Carlton Gray was in response to our weak link named Mark McMillan. At least get the facts straight.

KCTitus · 04-26-2001, 11:14 AM

Sure it was cap friendly...It's cap friendly as long as you can afford to pay it.

Do you even know how much cap room St. Louis has?

Never suprised by your posts.

Gaz · 04-26-2001, 11:15 AM

KCTitus is correct. The Rams have the room and Green's cap hit was not that high. That was one justification on the BBs for getting him in the R&G. He is cap-friendly for the next couple of years.

Had the deal not gone through, Green would have been a Ram this season. If Warner's head does not clear, they may yet regret the trade.

And Steve Beuerlein would be our QB with Deuce McAllister as our RB.

Beuerlein & McAllister or Green, Holmes and Blaylock?

We get more value from the trade [even though I preferred Beuerlein].

xoxo~
Gaz
Wondering if the wall even notices the head banging.

WisChief · 04-26-2001, 11:15 AM

Ken, I try to have a civil conversation with you and you get all personal - AMAZING!!

What did you expect VD to come in here saying. "I don't give a rat's *** if Elvis threw 50 TD's while wearing his blue suede shoes, he sucks and he's gone!"

If they wanted Elvis - they would have paid the cash. They wanted Green, so they gave up the pick.

************

trying really hard not to #itch slap you some more....

Packfan · 04-26-2001, 11:18 AM

WIs Chief,

They would have paid Elvis 20 Million??? That what he wanted? Nobody get that kind of signing bonus.

C'mon already. Say something smart!

keg in kc · 04-26-2001, 11:24 AM

[quote]2.5 million is hardly "cap friendly". [/quote]

Okay, Einstein, Let's talk cap friendly:

From Kffl:

[quote] As an update to previous reports, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports Green Bay PackersGreen Bay Packers QB Brett Favre will pocket $16.2 million in the next two seasons as part of his new deal with the team. This year he will have a base salary of $477,000, $723,000 base salary and receive a $4 million roster bonus (2002); $4.3M and $3M (2003); $5.5M and $3M (2004); $6.5M and $3M (2005); $7M and $3M (2006); $11M base salary (2007); $12M base salary (2008); $13M base salary (2009) and $14M base salary (2010). For the most part, the deal basically boils down to $51.5 million over six years as the final years have inflated base salaries the team won't be able to afford. While the team received a cap savings this year, his cap hit in 2002 will be $9.72 million so restructuring down the road is very likely.[/quote]

Yeah, 2.5 million sure isn't cheap, is it. I wish we paid three times that much to a 32 year old QB with a 78.0 rating last year and a 74.7 rating the year before...

No wonder Wolf got out...

WisChief · 04-26-2001, 11:24 AM

How much did Baltimore pay him?

Gaz · 04-26-2001, 11:37 AM

Packfan-
Your memory sucks.

[quote] They said that the 12th pick was to high and ended up paying it.[/quote]

Wrong.

Please check your facts, Packfan. We did not trade the #12 for Green. We traded the #12 for Green, Horne and a 5th Rounder that got us Blaylock.

xoxo~
Gaz
Correcting another misstatement.

WisChief · 04-26-2001, 11:37 AM

How much did Baltimore pay him?

KCTitus · 04-26-2001, 11:45 AM

Since you obviously DONT know, Ken, I'll answer it for you...

The Rams, as of April 16, were 7M under the cap.

Before you make an a$$ out of yourself, remember that they didnt trade Green to KC until April 20, so that 7M figure included Green's contract.

That's #2, behind Cincy in case you were wondering

Packfan · 04-26-2001, 11:46 AM

Gaz,

Please answer my questions:

Do you think the Chiefs were pleased when they lost Grbac?

Do you think that this is just the way Dick and Carl planned it?

As far as Horne and the 5th, who cares? Throw ins for the Rams. Horne caught a grand total of four passes last year. Hakim is their guy thats a threat on pr/kr, not Horne.

KCTitus · 04-26-2001, 11:48 AM

Ken you backtraking on you 'applause' of KC for getting Horne now that it doesnt suit your argument?

WisChief · 04-26-2001, 11:49 AM

Ken, mister know it all - how much did Baltimore pay Elvis Grbac?

Gaz · 04-26-2001, 11:52 AM

I answered your questions at 11:57 on this post.

I guess that is why we never get through to you. You don't bother to read the posts.

xoxo~
Gaz
Thinks that explains a lot.

Packfan · 04-26-2001, 11:59 AM

Gaz,

I didnt see it. I have had to log back in a few times. Thanks for pointing it out.

Now, you say that both Baltimore and the Chiefs are better off. I agree that Baltimore is because Grbac didnt cost them anything in terms of draft picks.

You also mentioned that Grbac doesnt fit Saunders scheme. If anything worked for the Chiefs, it was their vertical passing game. The Chiefs need so much help at running back and in their secondary. They wanted to sign Grbac because he was already here, had a good year last year, didnt cost them compensation, and had some continuity with the other receivers. His departure was an unexpected disasater. Instead of having your pro bowl QB and drafting a running back, the Chiefs had to give up the 12th pick for an Elvis Grbac clone. Big, big mistake. Its been proven over and over that the only way to build a super bowl team is through the draft. Nobody else in the league was willing to give up their first round pick for Trent Green. Why? Not because they didnt need him. He and others like him are FREE every single year in free agency. Thats why.

Its no wonder that the Chiefs havent won a playoff game in 8 years.

Are some of you guys beginning to understand why?

04-26-2001, 11:12 AM	#76
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9892732	Talk about memory sucking... Carl chose not to resign Carter and we all knew why. He let Denver take on that mental case. THAT was no suprise. Signing Carlton Gray was in response to our weak link named Mark McMillan. At least get the facts straight. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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04-26-2001, 11:14 AM	#77
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9892732	Sure it was cap friendly...It's cap friendly as long as you can afford to pay it. Do you even know how much cap room St. Louis has? Never suprised by your posts.
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04-26-2001, 11:15 AM	#78
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	flawed argument, Packfan KCTitus is correct. The Rams have the room and Green's cap hit was not that high. That was one justification on the BBs for getting him in the R&G. He is cap-friendly for the next couple of years. Had the deal not gone through, Green would have been a Ram this season. If Warner's head does not clear, they may yet regret the trade. And Steve Beuerlein would be our QB with Deuce McAllister as our RB. Beuerlein & McAllister or Green, Holmes and Blaylock? We get more value from the trade [even though I preferred Beuerlein]. xoxo~ Gaz Wondering if the wall even notices the head banging.
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04-26-2001, 11:15 AM	#79
WisChief GO 'NOLES! Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $10005400	Ken, I try to have a civil conversation with you and you get all personal - AMAZING!! What did you expect VD to come in here saying. "I don't give a rat's * if Elvis threw 50 TD's while wearing his blue suede shoes, he sucks and he's gone!" If they wanted Elvis - they would have paid the cash. They wanted Green, so they gave up the pick. ********** trying really hard not to #itch slap you some more....
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04-26-2001, 11:18 AM	#80
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	WIs Chief, They would have paid Elvis 20 Million??? That what he wanted? Nobody get that kind of signing bonus. C'mon already. Say something smart! __________________ Ken Dienberg
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04-25-2001, 08:00 AM
58Forever It's dejavu all over again! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: at home in my own chair Casino cash: $10004900	Let's see last year all we could talk about was Corey Dillon... I'd say with all the wheelings and dealings and ****ing with the Rams...getting Green, Holmes, Horne, losing Grbac, McGlockton, Hasty... This off season gave us much more to argue about...and not many rumors...I am psyched...I'm not ready for the Summer to be over, but I'm ready for some football....:cool:
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04-26-2001, 11:24 AM	#81
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	[quote]2.5 million is hardly "cap friendly". [/quote] Okay, Einstein, Let's talk cap friendly: From Kffl: [quote] As an update to previous reports, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports Green Bay PackersGreen Bay Packers QB Brett Favre will pocket $16.2 million in the next two seasons as part of his new deal with the team. This year he will have a base salary of $477,000, $723,000 base salary and receive a $4 million roster bonus (2002); $4.3M and $3M (2003); $5.5M and $3M (2004); $6.5M and $3M (2005); $7M and $3M (2006); $11M base salary (2007); $12M base salary (2008); $13M base salary (2009) and $14M base salary (2010). For the most part, the deal basically boils down to $51.5 million over six years as the final years have inflated base salaries the team won't be able to afford. While the team received a cap savings this year, his cap hit in 2002 will be $9.72 million so restructuring down the road is very likely.[/quote] Yeah, 2.5 million sure isn't cheap, is it. I wish we paid three times that much to a 32 year old QB with a 78.0 rating last year and a 74.7 rating the year before... No wonder Wolf got out...
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04-26-2001, 11:37 AM	#83
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	pot, meet kettle Packfan- Your memory sucks. [quote] They said that the 12th pick was to high and ended up paying it.[/quote] Wrong. Please check your facts, Packfan. We did not trade the #12 for Green. We traded the #12 for Green, Horne and a 5th Rounder that got us Blaylock. xoxo~ Gaz Correcting another misstatement.
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04-26-2001, 11:45 AM	#85
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9892732	Since you obviously DONT know, Ken, I'll answer it for you... The Rams, as of April 16, were 7M under the cap. Before you make an a$$ out of yourself, remember that they didnt trade Green to KC until April 20, so that 7M figure included Green's contract. That's #2, behind Cincy in case you were wondering __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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04-26-2001, 11:46 AM	#86
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Gaz, Please answer my questions: Do you think the Chiefs were pleased when they lost Grbac? Do you think that this is just the way Dick and Carl planned it? As far as Horne and the 5th, who cares? Throw ins for the Rams. Horne caught a grand total of four passes last year. Hakim is their guy thats a threat on pr/kr, not Horne. __________________ Ken Dienberg
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04-26-2001, 11:48 AM	#87
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9892732	Ken you backtraking on you 'applause' of KC for getting Horne now that it doesnt suit your argument?
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04-26-2001, 11:49 AM	#88
WisChief GO 'NOLES! Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $10005400	Ken, mister know it all - how much did Baltimore pay Elvis Grbac?
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04-26-2001, 11:52 AM	#89
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Packfan, please read my posts I answered your questions at 11:57 on this post. I guess that is why we never get through to you. You don't bother to read the posts. xoxo~ Gaz Thinks that explains a lot.
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04-26-2001, 11:59 AM	#90
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Gaz, I didnt see it. I have had to log back in a few times. Thanks for pointing it out. Now, you say that both Baltimore and the Chiefs are better off. I agree that Baltimore is because Grbac didnt cost them anything in terms of draft picks. You also mentioned that Grbac doesnt fit Saunders scheme. If anything worked for the Chiefs, it was their vertical passing game. The Chiefs need so much help at running back and in their secondary. They wanted to sign Grbac because he was already here, had a good year last year, didnt cost them compensation, and had some continuity with the other receivers. His departure was an unexpected disasater. Instead of having your pro bowl QB and drafting a running back, the Chiefs had to give up the 12th pick for an Elvis Grbac clone. Big, big mistake. Its been proven over and over that the only way to build a super bowl team is through the draft. Nobody else in the league was willing to give up their first round pick for Trent Green. Why? Not because they didnt need him. He and others like him are FREE every single year in free agency. Thats why. Its no wonder that the Chiefs havent won a playoff game in 8 years. Are some of you guys beginning to understand why? __________________ Ken Dienberg
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