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Old 11-23-2012, 03:38 PM   #1
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Again, you are being overly-dramatic.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:45 PM   #2
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Energy independence but a destroyed environment.
I hear fracking and I think of that video clip of that guy lighting the fracking water on fire coming out of the tap in his sink in his house.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:48 PM   #3
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I hear fracking and I think of that video clip of that guy lighting the fracking water on fire coming out of the tap in his sink in his house.
We don't pipe fracking water to anyone's faucet in this country.
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:40 PM   #4
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I hear fracking and I think of that video clip of that guy lighting the fracking water on fire coming out of the tap in his sink in his house.

I read where they were able to light the groundwater on fire is somewhere back east (Pennsylvania?). Apparently this is a natural phenomenon due to how shallow the hydrocarbons are to the surface. The Indians knew of this area and had a name for this which I don't recall and, no, it was not firewater. The environmentalists did not disclose this was a naturally occurring issue in their film because it opposed their agenda.
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I hear fracking and I think of that video clip of that guy lighting the fracking water on fire coming out of the tap in his sink in his house.
Surprised you'd admit to succumbing to such facile propaganda.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:52 PM   #7
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Energy independence but a destroyed environment.
Natural gas certainly has potential to be a cleaner fuel than coal or oil. But it has to be done correctly with treatment, reuse, and proper disposal of the fracking fluid; proper well construction and inspection; and controls for methane gas release. These will add to the cost of energy production, but I think overall I think natural gas produced through proper fracking can provide energy at costs competitive with coal, but much cleaner.

Still natural gas still puts upward pressure on climate change. I view it as a bridge technology to widespread use of renewables.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:37 PM   #8
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There's an interesting prediction that would come out of this. Let's say we pull this off; massive increases in oil production, a decline in energy costs, and a new golden age of the economy.

Do we...

a)...continue planning for the long term when it runs out, developing alternate energy, emphasizing efficiency, and building a conservation mentality?

b)...go back to conspicuous consumption and really big cars with tail fins?


I look forward to seeing the return of tail fins.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:42 PM   #9
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There's an interesting prediction that would come out of this. Let's say we pull this off; massive increases in oil production, a decline in energy costs, and a new golden age of the economy.

Do we...

a)...continue planning for the long term when it runs out, developing alternate energy, emphasizing efficiency, and building a conservation mentality?

b)...go back to conspicuous consumption and really big cars with tail fins?


I look forward to seeing the return of tail fins.
No, I think that the move toward more and more fuel-efficient vehicles is a reality now.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:47 PM   #10
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There's an interesting prediction that would come out of this. Let's say we pull this off; massive increases in oil production, a decline in energy costs, and a new golden age of the economy.

Do we...

a)...continue planning for the long term when it runs out, developing alternate energy, emphasizing efficiency, and building a conservation mentality?

b)...go back to conspicuous consumption and really big cars with tail fins?


I look forward to seeing the return of tail fins.
I don't think long term planning is one of our strengths (except maybe in the defense industry and even there I'm not sure).
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:04 PM   #14
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My only problem with fracking is the pollution of the underground water tables..
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:06 PM   #15
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My only problem with fracking is the pollution of the underground water tables..
someone will post soon about that being a myth.
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