Surtain to Arizona? - Page 6

VonneMarie · 04-19-2005, 05:40 PM

Good grief. King just said on ESPN that the Cards are the new favorite to trade for Surtain.

I didn't catch it all. Anyone catch it?

shaneo69 · 04-20-2005, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Why Odell Thurman? Is a backup MLB really a priority? Or would you move Bell outside and put a rookie like Thurman in the middle? After the Kawika Mitchell fiasco, i'm not too sure about having a young guy in the middle calling the shots.

I'd move Bell outside. I think Thurman is a lot more ready to play in the NFL than Kawika was. But that's JMO.

KCTitus · 04-20-2005, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Plan on sitting in front of the TV with your mouth open when the Chiefs announce their draft pick then have to look up on the internet who he is...count on it.

Outside the top 15-20 picks, I do that with all the teams not just KC. It seems like too much work.

Mr. Laz · 04-20-2005, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Ronde Barber would be as effective as McCleon in Gunther's scheme. He's a cover 2 corner.

except for gunther doesn't want to play cover 2 ... he wants to play man-on-man press coverage.

milkman · 04-20-2005, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

except for gunther doesn't want to play cover 2 ... he wants to play man-on-man press coverage.

I'm pretty sure that was his point.

tomahawk kid · 04-20-2005, 09:34 AM

I am literally going to puke if we lose Surtain to the freaking Cardinals.

Carl and his 1,000 lb ego sure do make it hard to be a fan of this team sometimes.

Hopefully, this is simply a smokescreen by Miami to use as leverage.

Mr. Laz · 04-20-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

I'm pretty sure that was his point.

oooo .... dam, i just read that post all wrong

htismaqe · 04-20-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And at long last mackway finds himself nearing where I was when Rolle and Hartwell bolted. Welcome bud.

We are sooooo fooked, because CP and DV made the double faux pas of telling the world that they don't have faith in our current personnel, then NOT REPLACING THEM.

Well, I look at it this way.

With Rolle there were definite reasons not to sign the guy to a HUGE deal -- he spent almost half of his time on the injury report list, he played for some bad defenses, he was undersized, etc. Whether legit or not, well that's debatable. But there WERE flaws that one could reason wouldn't make him worth $15M.

With Hartwell there's certainly less of those. Perhaps the biggest one was that he wanted to be paid like the #1 LB in the league. Again, there was at least one reason that any reasonable person could say "Well, we didn't get him, but it's ok."

With Surtain, there are none of those reasons. NONE. There is absolutely ZERO reason the guy shouldn't be in a Chiefs uniform RIGHT ****ING NOW. He's a Pro Bowler who has played for the league's top pass defense -- and no, not last year's top pass defense, the top pass defense SINCE HE GOT THERE.

Wallcrawler · 04-20-2005, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

With Surtain, there are none of those reasons. NONE. There is absolutely ZERO reason the guy shouldn't be in a Chiefs uniform RIGHT ****ING NOW. He's a Pro Bowler who has played for the league's top pass defense -- and no, not last year's top pass defense, the top pass defense SINCE HE GOT THERE.

Exactly.

I cannot fathom why the Chiefs are dicking around in the manner that they are in regard to this guy. I cant think of a single reason to justify not landing this guy on the defense. He's worth the 2nd rounder, and he's worth the money.

If they are actually serious about improving the secondary, they have a very, very strange way of showing it.

TEX · 04-20-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Stinger

Exactly.

I cannot fathom why the Chiefs are dicking around in the manner that they are in regard to this guy. I cant think of a single reason to justify not landing this guy on the defense. He's worth the 2nd rounder, and he's worth the money.

If they are actually serious about improving the secondary, they have a very, very strange way of showing it.

Beacuse unfortunately for the CHIEFS, TY LAW is still out there. I can't wait for the "One ARROWHEAD Drive SPIN JOB"...

TEX · 04-20-2005, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

Well, I look at it this way.

With Rolle there were definite reasons not to sign the guy to a HUGE deal -- he spent almost half of his time on the injury report list, he played for some bad defenses, he was undersized, etc. Whether legit or not, well that's debatable. But there WERE flaws that one could reason wouldn't make him worth $15M.

With Hartwell there's certainly less of those. Perhaps the biggest one was that he wanted to be paid like the #1 LB in the league. Again, there was at least one reason that any reasonable person could say "Well, we didn't get him, but it's ok."

With Surtain, there are none of those reasons. NONE. There is absolutely ZERO reason the guy shouldn't be in a Chiefs uniform RIGHT ****ING NOW. He's a Pro Bowler who has played for the league's top pass defense -- and no, not last year's top pass defense, the top pass defense SINCE HE GOT THERE.

Just wait for all the "bad knees" crap to spew from C.P. and company after Zona signs Surtain...

TEX · 04-20-2005, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

I would rather have both Carlos Rogers and Surtain, than a 2nd rounder.

EXACTLY!

Then sign a FA LB after June 1. with BOTH CB's we'd be for a LONG time. Man, this deal is there for the taking and the CHIEFS are going to blow it.

keg in kc · 04-21-2005, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

With Surtain, there are none of those reasons. NONE. There is absolutely ZERO reason the guy shouldn't be in a Chiefs uniform RIGHT ****ING NOW. He's a Pro Bowler who has played for the league's top pass defense -- and no, not last year's top pass defense, the top pass defense SINCE HE GOT THERE.

Let's not put the cart ahead of the horse. If we don't get Surtain there will be plenty of reason to complain, but negotiations are still going on.

CoMoChief · 04-21-2005, 01:29 AM

Has anyone noticed how everytime CP or DV talk about the defense they say that they want the defense to be just "middle of the pack". What kind of goal is that, to be just average. Carl knew when he brought DV in that we were gonna spend all our money on offense. He tried to nickle and dime the defensive side of the ball and thought that we would score enough to overcome a bad defense. In some ways we do that, but come playoff time everyone knows that defense wins. I just think that we need to set a better goal rather than that of "middle of the pack" status. We need to set a goal more like, "get back to mid 90's defense" status.

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VonneMarie Don't look over here Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10008987	Surtain to Arizona? Good grief. King just said on ESPN that the Cards are the new favorite to trade for Surtain. I didn't catch it all. Anyone catch it?
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tomahawk kid Drunk in the Neighborhood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Beating the War Drums Casino cash: $10001837	I am literally going to puke if we lose Surtain to the freaking Cardinals. Carl and his 1,000 lb ego sure do make it hard to be a fan of this team sometimes. Hopefully, this is simply a smokescreen by Miami to use as leverage.
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8042254	Has anyone noticed how everytime CP or DV talk about the defense they say that they want the defense to be just "middle of the pack". What kind of goal is that, to be just average. Carl knew when he brought DV in that we were gonna spend all our money on offense. He tried to nickle and dime the defensive side of the ball and thought that we would score enough to overcome a bad defense. In some ways we do that, but come playoff time everyone knows that defense wins. I just think that we need to set a better goal rather than that of "middle of the pack" status. We need to set a goal more like, "get back to mid 90's defense" status. __________________
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