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Jimmya · 03-24-2014, 07:22 PM

http://www.newschannel10.com/story/2...omeless-camper

Critics question the fatal shooting of a homeless camper
Posted: Mar 24, 2014 5:20 PM CDT
Updated: Mar 24, 2014 4:50 PM CDT

New Mexico - Critics of the Albuquerque Police Department are raising serious questions about the fatal shooting of a homeless camper.

38-year-old James Boyd argued with police for more three hours last Sunday about illegally camping in open space.

Boyd continued to refuse officer commands and began threatening their lives causing officers to open fire.

Boyd had a violent 20-year criminal history including multiple incidents of violence against officers and years of mental health related concerns.

Otter · 03-25-2014, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

These are the mother****ers committing crimes.. And then they're the ones doing the investigations of the very crimes that they committed.

"Skilled daggersmen"? "Throwing the knife"?

Can someone point to me an instance where a knife was effectively thrown outside of a Rambo or cheesy 80s karate movie? Usually agree with you CC but not here.

Was the gut disorderly camping and minding his business too loudly? Open to more info but what's been presented is murder.

jd1020 · 03-25-2014, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Can someone point to me an instance where a knife was effectively thrown outside of a Rambo or cheesy 80s karate movie? Usually agree with you CC but not here.

TheUte · 03-25-2014, 01:41 PM

I have some friends who are Police officers and We have talked about how much the risk their lives everyday.

But that is ****ing pathetic. All of the Officers in that situation overreacted and at the very least need to lose their badges and possibly be charged criminally.

That was just awful, sickening.

Pablo · 03-25-2014, 01:46 PM

Just do whatever is asked of you by police officers.

Because they may kill you if you don't.

Good rule to follow with some of the whack jobs you'll encounter on the streets and in uniform.

big_lebowski33 · 03-25-2014, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tacoman

This doesn't seem relevant to me...

How many feet is the rule when you have 7+ cops with guns drawn, pointed at perp, with hammers cocked already? Probably more like 2.1 feet in my imagination. I think It is not an easy job being a cop, they really do provide a lot more than people like to give them credit for. That being said, this video seems like straight up murder to me.

What's the deal with the guy who keeps plugging him while he is motionless face down on the ground? Gotta make sure to finish the job, or what? In my mind there is not a rational reason to continue to shoot the guy at that point.

Also... People talking about how you have to make split second decisions and how that makes it more complicated, Isn't the whole point of the training to put you in a position to act intelligently in a situation like this? The whole situation could have been handled differently imo. The tazer supposedly doesn't work all the time. Ok, but couldn't they have at least TRIED IT before just rushing him with dogs and guns?

It is irrelevant for this situation.

**Donger** · 03-25-2014, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsNow

I ****ing hate cops. Think they are the law.

Huh? They ARE the law, at least the enforcers of it.

Just Passin' By · 03-25-2014, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Huh? They ARE the law, at least the enforcers of it.

One is not the same as the other.

**Donger** · 03-25-2014, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

One is not the same as the other.

Tell me, if no one enforces the law, what is the point of having them?

Just Passin' By · 03-25-2014, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Tell me, if no one enforces the law, what is the point of having them?

No, you tell me. If the cop is the law, why do we need legislatures and judges?

Otter · 03-25-2014, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Tell me, if no one enforces the law, what is the point of having them?

You're a pretty logical guy Donger. Tell me, what would have been the outcome if they didn't shoot him? There was a canine there and what 3 or 4 officers with weapons drawn on him.

I'm an owner of a 90 pound German Sheppard. If that dog didn't respect me and look at me as a pack leader it would chew me head off without hesitation. They are killers, no respect but for what they know and teach them.

That guy never stood a chance from the get go. It wasn't OK to just shoot him. And yes, I do want to know more about what he was doing and why cops with guns drawn were there in the first place.

**Donger** · 03-25-2014, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

No, you tell me. If the cop is the law, why do we need legislatures and judges?

I was actually thinking of Pee Wee Herman when I wrote that:

and why I then also wrote "at least the enforcers of it."

**Donger** · 03-25-2014, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

You're a pretty logical guy Donger. Tell me, what would have been the outcome if they didn't shoot him? There was a canine there and what 3 or 4 officers with weapons drawn on him.

I'm an owner of a 90 pound German Sheppard. If that dog didn't respect me and look at me as a pack leader it would chew me head off without hesitation.

That guy never stood a chance from the get go. It wasn't OK to just shoot him. And yes, I do want to know more about what he was doing and why cops with guns drawn were there in the first place.

I can think of many different outcomes. Sure, I suppose they could have waited another three hours until he feel asleep or something. I suppose the cops could have just left. I suppose the vagrant could have just complied with the lawful orders of the law enforcement officers.

Johnny Vegas · 03-25-2014, 04:02 PM

because you deserve to have ar-15's pointed at you for illegal camping.

Otter · 03-25-2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

I can think of many different outcomes. Sure, I suppose they could have waited another three hours until he feel asleep or something. I suppose the cops could have just left. I suppose the vagrant could have just complied with the lawful orders of the law enforcement officers.

No offense Donger and I know this is a worn out line but "just following orders" was worn out in Nuremberg. If you find that acceptable with the evidence presented to you we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Until we both can answer "what did he do to deserve that" I think you're talking shit.

Can't agree with ya here.

**Donger** · 03-25-2014, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

No offense Donger and I know this is a worn out line but "just following orders" was worn out in Nuremberg. If you find that acceptable with the evidence presented to you we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Until we both can answer "what did he do to deserve that" I think you're talking shit.

Can't agree with ya here.

I think it's an extremely unfortunate outcome. If this were an example of the cops showing up and immediately taking aggressive action, I would probably feel differently. They were there for three hours and the situation still wasn't resolved.

You don't think that they should have just left, right?

03-24-2014, 07:22 PM
Jimmya Veteran Join Date: Dec 2012 Casino cash: $10024530	Cops & Homeless Man http://www.newschannel10.com/story/2...omeless-camper Critics question the fatal shooting of a homeless camper Posted: Mar 24, 2014 5:20 PM CDT Updated: Mar 24, 2014 4:50 PM CDT New Mexico - Critics of the Albuquerque Police Department are raising serious questions about the fatal shooting of a homeless camper. 38-year-old James Boyd argued with police for more three hours last Sunday about illegally camping in open space. Boyd continued to refuse officer commands and began threatening their lives causing officers to open fire. Boyd had a violent 20-year criminal history including multiple incidents of violence against officers and years of mental health related concerns.
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03-25-2014, 01:41 PM	#108
TheUte Veteran Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $10014498	I have some friends who are Police officers and We have talked about how much the risk their lives everyday. But that is ****ing pathetic. All of the Officers in that situation overreacted and at the very least need to lose their badges and possibly be charged criminally. That was just awful, sickening.
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Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $2039356	Just do whatever is asked of you by police officers. Because they may kill you if you don't. Good rule to follow with some of the whack jobs you'll encounter on the streets and in uniform.
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Johnny Vegas MVP Join Date: May 2008 Casino cash: $5823814	because you deserve to have ar-15's pointed at you for illegal camping.
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