My draft wish... - Page 4

htismaqe · 01-03-2006, 10:43 AM

Everybody has already talked about Marcus McNeil, I think he'd be an awesome pick, but...

The guy I really covet is Michael Huff from Texas. He's played both CB and S in college, but at 6'1", 205, I'd be looking at him to take over Greg Wesley's spot. He's an electric playmaker and has a real nose for the ball.

He looks like a guy that could go 6-7 picks ahead of us, but because of his tweener status, he could slip.

sedated · 01-03-2006, 12:04 PM

This is a great draft for OT's, so we can pick one up in the 2nd.

But it would be hard to draft another f-ing DT. Haven't we learned we can't pick those?

I say go for the pass-rush DE.

Safeties are so easy to get via Free Agency, no need to waste a 1st Rd pick on one.

htismaqe · 01-03-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

This is a great draft for OT's, so we can pick one up in the 2nd.

But it would be hard to draft another f-ing DT. Haven't we learned we can't pick those?

I say go for the pass-rush DE.

Safeties are so easy to get via Free Agency, no need to waste a 1st Rd pick on one.

1) This isn't a great draft for 1st-round DE's. Kiwi and Williams will likely go way before we pick. Hali and Dumervil would be options, but they both have size concerns, and may slip to the 2nd.

2) I hope your kidding about getting safeties via free agency. The top safeties in the game, the ones that can really get the job done, are all draftees. Roy Williams, Polamalu, Ed Reed, Bob Sanders, etc. Only Sharper has really excelled as a free agent.

jspchief · 01-03-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Take a look at the link a posted.

Not only is he wrong, but it looks to me like taking a Texas defensive lineman is a GREAT move.

I don't need to look at the link. I already know he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. The few guys that immediately came to mind were DJ, Vasher, and Shaun Rogers.

But remember, "Bill Snyder was always by far the best coach in the nation....no comparison....not even close."

Mecca · 01-03-2006, 01:13 PM

The guys you could point out as Texas busts would be Quintin Jammer and Mike Williams-Bills OT.

What about Gabe Watson as a DT? He's one huge man, he'd fill the NT need.

htismaqe · 01-03-2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I don't need to look at the link. I already know he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. The few guys that immediately came to mind were DJ, Vasher, and Shaun Rogers.

But remember, "Bill Snyder was always by far the best coach in the nation....no comparison....not even close."

Casey Hampton was a Longhorn. Look at how he's anchored his defense. Tony Brackens was a Longhorn, not a star, not a dud.

htismaqe · 01-03-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The guys you could point out as Texas busts would be Quintin Jammer and Mike Williams-Bills OT.

What about Gabe Watson as a DT? He's one huge man, he'd fill the NT need.

Jammer isn't a bust. Not worthy of where he was picked, but not a bust. He's a full-time starter.

Williams is a bust, although he has been playing guard.

Williams is an offensive player though, and he said defensive.

htismaqe · 01-03-2006, 01:17 PM

Gabe Watson.

The big concern with him is attitude. I watched him alot this year, and I tend to think the scouting reports are pretty accurate.

Strengths:
Has excellent size...Solid athlete with good quickness for a man of his dimensions...Moves well and has a burst...An immovable force who can control the line and is a premier run stuffer...Tough to block one-on-one and requires double teams, which he has shown the ability to beat...Very strong and a great bull rusher who will collapse the pocket...Can get some penetration as a pass rusher.

Weaknesses:
Underachiever who doesn't always play up to his talent level...Looks like a Top 5 pick on one play and a 7th rounder on the next...Lazy and needs to show more effort on a consistent basis...Struggles to stay in shape and gets too heavy...Has trouble with his stamina and easily runs out of gas...Seems to be on the ground a lot...Will never be a great pass rusher...Was actually benched as a senior.

Notes:
Possible 3-4 nose tackle...Can be very disruptive and the things he does don't always show up in the box score...Has all the potential in the world but only plays up to it in spurts...Could be a great player at the next level but any team drafting him will be gambling that they can get the best out of him...Boom or bust prospect.

jspchief · 01-03-2006, 01:19 PM

He said it seems like most defensive players taken from Texas are busts.

Over the last five years, there's been a hell of a lot more defensive successes out of Texas than busts.

It's an opinion that appears to have very little basis in fact.

htismaqe · 01-03-2006, 01:21 PM

One more thing about Gabe Watson...he's precisely the type of guy we need, outside of his attitude.

He's the type that could anchor the line, eat up double-teams, and free up Allen and Sims to do what they do...

Mecca · 01-03-2006, 01:21 PM

That scouting report, is why drafting DT's is so hard. 90% of DT's are big fat lazy guys, it's just a matter if you can motivate them or not.

Mecca · 01-03-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

One more thing about Gabe Watson...he's precisely the type of guy we need, outside of his attitude.

He's the type that could anchor the line, eat up double-teams, and free up Allen and Sims to do what they do...

If he lasts till our 2nd pick, I think we should take the risk on him.

jspchief · 01-03-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That scouting report, is why drafting DT's is so hard. 90% of DT's are big fat lazy guys, it's just a matter if you can motivate them or not.

No kidding. Find me a DT scouting report that doesn't list effort/attitude as a weakness.

duncan_idaho · 01-03-2006, 01:23 PM

Ruff makes a lot of plays, and the o-linemen seem similar after Ferguson. I'd like this move. Adding a difference maker on defense never hurts.

htismaqe · 01-03-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That scouting report, is why drafting DT's is so hard. 90% of DT's are big fat lazy guys, it's just a matter if you can motivate them or not.

That is true. You'll be hard-pressed to find a scouting report for a DT that doesn't mention attitude somewhere.

htismaqe · 01-03-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If he lasts till our 2nd pick, I think we should take the risk on him.

ABSOLUTELY.

I don't think he'll last that long though...

01-03-2006, 10:43 AM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	My draft wish... Everybody has already talked about Marcus McNeil, I think he'd be an awesome pick, but... The guy I really covet is Michael Huff from Texas. He's played both CB and S in college, but at 6'1", 205, I'd be looking at him to take over Greg Wesley's spot. He's an electric playmaker and has a real nose for the ball. He looks like a guy that could go 6-7 picks ahead of us, but because of his tweener status, he could slip.
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01-03-2006, 01:13 PM	#49
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2597050	The guys you could point out as Texas busts would be Quintin Jammer and Mike Williams-Bills OT. What about Gabe Watson as a DT? He's one huge man, he'd fill the NT need.
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01-03-2006, 01:17 PM	#52
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	Gabe Watson. The big concern with him is attitude. I watched him alot this year, and I tend to think the scouting reports are pretty accurate. Strengths: Has excellent size...Solid athlete with good quickness for a man of his dimensions...Moves well and has a burst...An immovable force who can control the line and is a premier run stuffer...Tough to block one-on-one and requires double teams, which he has shown the ability to beat...Very strong and a great bull rusher who will collapse the pocket...Can get some penetration as a pass rusher. Weaknesses: Underachiever who doesn't always play up to his talent level...Looks like a Top 5 pick on one play and a 7th rounder on the next...Lazy and needs to show more effort on a consistent basis...Struggles to stay in shape and gets too heavy...Has trouble with his stamina and easily runs out of gas...Seems to be on the ground a lot...Will never be a great pass rusher...Was actually benched as a senior. Notes: Possible 3-4 nose tackle...Can be very disruptive and the things he does don't always show up in the box score...Has all the potential in the world but only plays up to it in spurts...Could be a great player at the next level but any team drafting him will be gambling that they can get the best out of him...Boom or bust prospect.
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01-03-2006, 01:19 PM	#53
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	He said it seems like most defensive players taken from Texas are busts. Over the last five years, there's been a hell of a lot more defensive successes out of Texas than busts. It's an opinion that appears to have very little basis in fact. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	One more thing about Gabe Watson...he's precisely the type of guy we need, outside of his attitude. He's the type that could anchor the line, eat up double-teams, and free up Allen and Sims to do what they do...
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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1730308	Ruff makes a lot of plays, and the o-linemen seem similar after Ferguson. I'd like this move. Adding a difference maker on defense never hurts. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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