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ArrowheadHawk · 11:22 AM

#10 (23-8,14-4)

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Prison Bitch · 01-30-2014, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

I'm good for a laugher every now and then.

For example, I just now hit the "view post" button next to your name.

I'm glad you're man enough to admit you can't stop reading my posts. There are some who would deny it, but you accept my dominion over you. (Pats you on top of the head)

**Buehler445** · 01-30-2014, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I think he's playing pg better right now than Taylor ever did. He's not scoring as well, but in terms of playing the position, yeah

Disagree. Both are really good for their team, but they aren't doing the same thing. Tyshawn was required to beat people off the bounce and score or find Robinson. Tharpe is required to let Selden,Wiggins, and Embiid buzz saw ****ers. Tharpe is doing that better than Tyshawn could (I postulate). Tharpe cans do what Tyshawn did.

Tyshawn was ridiculous. Just stupid fast with the basketball. Dude was absolutely the catalyst for the offense that boasted Conner Teahan as a starter and laughed at defenders trying to stay on front of him to the national championship game. Conner Teahan as a starter. National championship game. To me that's more impressive than what Tharpe is doing. But the fact that it is a discussion is ****ing awesome. Hopefully I get to chow on crow about Tharpe for the next year and a half.

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

In all fairness to Rust, Iowa State is a ranked team with good players and a damn good coach. That must be said. I was quite impressed they hung in there last night as well as they did given how big a hole we put them into early. When they tied it first play after half I was really surprised. When they cut it to 2 with a few min to go I was really surprised.

Frankly it's gotten boring running roughshod through the league. I know that's just heresy for a KU alum to say that but it's true. I look forward to the non-con and the NCAA Tourney more than the league play and it wasn't always like that. I didn't enjoy the Ted Owens days but the Larry Brown days were damn fun. We've killed the enjoyment of college basketball for our whole region.

About all that gives me solace is the fact that it's my team that wins. It keeps idiots from other fanbases (which are the rule rather than the exception) from talking shit like they do during football season.

No. I'll take this over 38-10 "intrigue" every day of the week. I'd concede the point about duke unc adding to the conference and the overall experience.

**Bearcat** · 01-30-2014, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Sports are a lot more interesting when there's intrigue. That's what the NFL discovered long ago, which the other sports never have. Dynaties are boring. The intrigue of suspense is what makes March Madness so popular.

Face it: we always needed a North Carolina to our Duke. I'm insanely jealous of the new ACC hoops league. Will be pure heaven for those basketball powers while we sit out here jerking off over beating southern schools who only care about football.

Wut... the NFL is watered down and the regular season means almost nothing. Just look at the Chiefs... 9-0 didn't mean shit because you can actually go more than half the season without playing anyone.

I do love Self's non-conference strategy... the games against the 150+ ranked teams are pointless, it obviously pays off big time, and the committee in recent years has rewarded a tough SoS with a few losses over rolling terrible teams.

Any conference with 5 ranked teams and 3 more receiving votes is doing pretty damn well. KU's conference games have been great entertainment, except TCU (even though a good beat down is nice to see sometimes).

Ceej · 01-30-2014, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Becoming? He always has been.

Just wait until next year.

O.city · 01-30-2014, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Disagree. Both are really good for their team, but they aren't doing the same thing. Tyshawn was required to beat people off the bounce and score or find Robinson. Tharpe is required to let Selden,Wiggins, and Embiid buzz saw ****ers. Tharpe is doing that better than Tyshawn could (I postulate). Tharpe cans do what Tyshawn did.

Tyshawn was ridiculous. Just stupid fast with the basketball. Dude was absolutely the catalyst for the offense that boasted Conner Teahan as a starter and laughed at defenders trying to stay on front of him to the national championship game. Conner Teahan as a starter. National championship game. To me that's more impressive than what Tharpe is doing. But the fact that it is a discussion is ****ing awesome. Hopefully I get to chow on crow about Tharpe for the next year and a half.

No. I'll take this over 38-10 "intrigue" every day of the week. I'd concede the point about duke unc adding to the conference and the overall experience.

Tyshawn was more of a combo guard/scoring point guard. He was great for that team, but I'm a bigger fan of having a pg who facilitates and can knock down a jumps hot or get in the lane when needed. I'm not a fan of having my pg be the "scorer" on my team per say. I loved tyshawn, but I think right now, Tharpe is playing pg, as good as just about any pg self has had. He's rarely had a true pg at KU, more combo guys who play pg.

**Buehler445** · 01-30-2014, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Tyshawn was more of a combo guard/scoring point guard. He was great for that team, but I'm a bigger fan of having a pg who facilitates and can knock down a jumps hot or get in the lane when needed. I'm not a fan of having my pg be the "scorer" on my team per say. I loved tyshawn, but I think right now, Tharpe is playing pg, as good as just about any pg self has had. He's rarely had a true pg at KU, more combo guys who play pg.

I'd agree, it's nice to have a "true PG", but it's hard to argue with the results.

Conner Teahan. National Championship game.

O.city · 01-30-2014, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I'd agree, it's nice to have a "true PG", but it's hard to argue with the results.

Conner Teahan. National Championship game.

It just shows the crapshootability of the NCAA tourney.

Butler made back to back championship games. Crazy things happen.

KC_Connection · 01-30-2014, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

You don't really believe that. If you did, then you'd want to play shit schools all the time and you would hate playing Duke, Kentucky, UNC, all the big boys. And I know you don't want that.

I'm a fan of the Chiefs, Raptors, Leafs, and Blue Jays. And the Jayhawks. Watching the first group of teams has been completely soul crushing in my lifetime. Watching the latter has been completely the opposite.

So yeah, I believe it. Winning makes watching sports worth it. Winning against good teams makes it even better (and that's what KU has done for 10 years in the B12, whether you are willing to admit it or not).

KC_Connection · 01-30-2014, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Tyshawn was more of a combo guard/scoring point guard. He was great for that team, but I'm a bigger fan of having a pg who facilitates and can knock down a jumps hot or get in the lane when needed. I'm not a fan of having my pg be the "scorer" on my team per say. I loved tyshawn, but I think right now, Tharpe is playing pg, as good as just about any pg self has had. He's rarely had a true pg at KU, more combo guys who play pg.

Tyshawn's assist rate in his final year (29.7%) isn't too far off what Tharpe's is right now (30.3%). And that's in addition to everything else he contributed and the much larger offensive load he took on. By the end of his KU career, Tyshawn was really doing it all. Great player.

Pants · 01-30-2014, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Tyshawn's assist rate in his final year (29.7%) isn't too far off what Tharpe's is right now (30.3%). And that's in addition to everything else he contributed and the much larger offensive load he took on. By the end of his KU career, Tyshawn was really doing it all. Great player.

What was Sherron's?

KC_Connection · 01-30-2014, 09:19 PM

For reference, Aaron Miles had the best assist rate of any Self player (38.2% in 2005 and 37.1% in 2004). 2014 Tharpe comes third after that and then 2012 Tyshawn.

Prison Bitch · 01-30-2014, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I'm a fan of the Chiefs, Raptors, Leafs, and Blue Jays. And the Jayhawks. Watching the first group of teams has been completely soul crushing in my lifetime. Watching the latter has been completely the opposite.

So yeah, I believe it. Winning makes watching sports worth it. Winning against good teams makes it even better (and that's what KU has done for 10 years in the B12, whether you are willing to admit it or not).

I'm in the same boat as a lifelong Royals and Chiefs (and frankly, KU football) fan. But I don't think anyone nationally thinks our conference is great shakes. Okie Light went to the final four in Selfs first year but since then the Big 12 has been poor in March. Would you like Louisville in the league even if it ended our dominance? I would

KC_Connection · 01-30-2014, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants

What was Sherron's?

23.2%, 22.1%, 29.0%, 24.4%.

The 29% was in 2009, the year after Chalmers/Robinson left (so the ball was in his hands often).

O.city · 01-30-2014, 09:22 PM

If Tharpe continues to play as he has the last 3 weeks from here out, I wouldn't have any problem saying he's in the conversation of being the best pure pg self has had at KU.

KC_Connection · 01-30-2014, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I'm in the same boat as a lifelong Royals and Chiefs (and frankly, KU football) fan. But I don't think anyone nationally thinks our conference is great shakes. Okie Light went to the final four in Selfs first year but since then the Big 12 has been poor in March.

Don't care what anyone nationally thinks. March is a crapshoot. It's the rest of the season that tells you how good a conference is. And the B12, on the whole, has been a top 2 or 3 conference in the country over the entirety of Self's run here.

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Would you like Louisville in the league even if it ended our dominance? I would

No, I'd like them in to make KU's dominance even more impressive.

01-14-2014, 08:54 AM
ArrowheadHawk Rock Chalk! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Casino cash: $7994961	** OFFICIAL 2013-2014 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread, Part 2 #10 (23-8,14-4) Players Spoiler! Returning Players 1 Naadir Tharpe Guard 5-11 170 Jr. 3 Andrew White III Guard 6-6 210 So. 4 Justin Wesley Forward 6-9 220 RS Sr. 10 Evan Manning Guard 6-3 170 So. 11 Tyler Self Guard 6-2 165 So. 20 Niko Roberts Guard 5-11 175 Sr. 21 Christian Garrett Guard 6-3 185 Jr. 31 Jamari Traylor Forward 6-8 220 RS So. 33 Landen Lucas Forward 6-10 240 RS Fr. 34 Perry Ellis Forward 6-8 225 So. Incoming Class SF * Wayne Selden C * Joel Embiid PG Conner Frankamp SF Brannen Greene PG Frank Mason SF * Andrew Wiggins Transfers Hunter Mickelson Tarik Black Non Conference Spoiler! 11/8/2013 Louisiana Monroe Lawrence, Kan. W(80-63) (1-0) 11/12/2013 Duke Chicago, Ill. W(94-83) (2-0) 11/19/2013 Iona Lawrence, Kan. W(86-66) (3-0) 11/22/2013 Towson W(88-58) (4-0) 11/28/2013 Wake Forest Paradise Island, Bahamas W(87-78) (5-0) 11/29/2013 Villanova Paradise Island, Bahamas L(59-63) (5-1) 11/30/2013 UTEP Paradise Island, Bahamas W(67-63) (6-1) 12/7/2013 Colorado Boulder, Colo. L(72-75) (6-2) 12/10/2013 Florida Gainesville, Fla. L(61-67) (6-3) 12/14/2013 New Mexico Kansas City, Mo. W(80-63)(7-3) 12/21/2013 Georgetown Lawrence, Kan. W(86-64)(8-3) 12/30/2013 Toledo Lawrence, Kan. W(93-83)(9-3) 1/5/2014 San Diego State Lawrence, Kan. L(57-61)(9-4) Conference Spoiler!** 1/8/2014 Oklahoma Norman, Okla. W(90-83)(10-4,1-0) 1/11/2014 Kansas State Lawrence, Kan. W(86-60)(11-4,2-0) 1/13/2014 Iowa State Ames, Iowa W(77-70)(12-4,3-0) 1/18/2014 Oklahoma State Lawrence, Kan. W(80-78)(13-4,4-0) 1/20/2014 Baylor Lawrence, Kan. W(78-68)(14-4,5-0) 1/25/2014 TCU Fort Worth, Texas W(91-69)(15-4,6-0) 1/29/2014 Iowa State Lawrence, Kan. W(92-81)(16-4,7-0) 2/1/2014 Texas Austin, Texas L(69-81)(16-5,7-1) 2/4/2014 Baylor Waco, Texas W(69-52)(17-5,8-1) 2/8/2014 West Virginia Lawrence, Kan. W(83-69)(18-5,9-1) 2/10/2014 Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. L(82-85)(18-6,9-2) 2/15/2014 TCU Lawrence, Kan. W(95-65)(19-6,10-2) 2/18/2014 Texas Tech Lubbock, Texas W(64-63)(20-6,11-2) 2/22/2014 Texas Lawrence, Kan. W(85-54)(21-6,12-2) 2/24/2014 Oklahoma Lawrence, Kan. W(83-75)(22-6,13-2) 3/1/2014 Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. L(65-72)(22-7,13-3) 3/5/2014 Texas Tech Lawrence, Kan. W(82-57)(23-7,14-3) 3/8/2014 West Virginia Morgantown, W. Va. L(86-92)(23-8,14-4) Big 12 Championship 3/13/2014 Texas Tech/Oklahoma State Kansas City, Mo. 2PM ESPN2 Last edited by ArrowheadHawk; 03-10-2014 at 11:22 AM..
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