Chiefs New-Look Chiefs Turning Attention to NFL Draft - Page 7

FringeNC · 05:47 PM

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The wholesale overhaul of the Kansas City Chiefs is nearly complete.

Andy Reid has been hired to replace Romeo Crennel as coach, and longtime Packers personnel man John Dorsey has replaced Scott ***** as general manager. Most of the assistant coaches are on board, and now the Chiefs can start turning their attention toward the rebuilding job.

That includes preparation for the NFL draft.

The Chiefs finished 2-14 last season, matching the worst record in their 53-year history. But the byproduct of all that on-field suffering is that they have the No. 1 pick for the first time, giving Kansas City a good place to start turning around the team.

"We're in a unique position," said Dorsey, who will work closely with Reid but have final say over personnel decisions. "We all know there is some pressure involved in that."

It is pressure unlike anything he's ever experienced.

Dorsey began his career as a scout for the Packers, and eventually rose to direct of college scouting and director of football operations. But his primary responsibility was assembling the draft board, and the final decision ultimately came down to the Packers' GM — Tom Braatz early in his career, Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman after that, and most recently Ted Thompson.

Now, when the final seconds are ticking away on April 25, all eyes in the Kansas City draft room will turn toward Dorsey for a decision that could shape the future of the franchise.

"Ultimately, we're just trying to win Super Bowls. That's what we're trying to do," said Dorsey, adding that he plans to use a similar blueprint to Green Bay.

"History and time has proven — and that's all I know — but this system works," Dorsey said Monday. "That's what I'm going to try to implement."

Examining the Packers' drafts over the past two decades yields a few ideas about how Dorsey will proceed: He'll likely choose the best player of available, regardless of position needs, but also understands the importance of drafting for depth at quarterback.

Many outsiders panned the choice of quarterback Aaron Rodgers when Brett Favre was firmly ensconced in Green Bay, and Rodgers has turned into a Super Bowl champion. Matt Flynn was picked in the seventh round and became a valuable commodity as a backup, while other guys such as Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks developed into starters elsewhere in the NFL.

"What we've always tried to do is develop a third guy," Dorsey said, "and develop him and see if he can be a 2 or a 1."

By contrast, the Chiefs have spent only one pick — a fifth-rounder — on a quarterback in the past six drafts, and the result has been disastrous play at the game's marquee position.

Matt Cassel is still under contract, even though he was benched last season. Brady Quinn played just as poorly, while Ricky Stanzi never saw the field during the regular season.

"Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said. "As you note the last couple weeks in the playoffs, the quarterback position is a very important position to the long-term success of the organization."

Important enough to spend the No. 1 overall pick on it?

Not necessarily.

Dorsey and Reid both insisted they plan to draft the best player available, and that may not be a quarterback. West Virginia's Geno Smith is widely considered the best prospect at his position, but some draft analysts believe he's only worthy of a late first-round selection.

"My draft philosophy, you'd love to get good players. That's the primary thing," Reid said. "As the general manager comes in, that's what he's going to do. That's his responsibility."

It's not as if the Chiefs don't have other needs.

Left tackle Branden Albert and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe can both become free agents, and there are gaping holes along the defensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary. And it just so happens that some of the best available players fit those needs: Texas A&M offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner and George linebacker Jarvis Jones.

One thing that Dorsey made clear is that he won't reach for a player.

"Philosophically, you stay true to your board," he said. "You spend all those months staying true to your board, and all of a sudden you have to jump a player due to positional needs? I don't think you do that. Historically, we have proven you don't do that."

Dorsey plans to keep the Chiefs scouting department intact through the draft, but he's also bringing with him an entire season's worth of his own scouting work from Green Bay.

That will be augmented by work done at college all-star games, various pro days organized by schools, the annual scouting combine and from hour upon hour of highlight tapes.

"It's going to be a focus of our fans, the media and our personnel department here for the next three or so months," Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said of the No. 1 pick. "It's very important we get that pick right."

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IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by silver5liter

Didnt watch many wvu games did you?

Yes I did, I watch a lot of college football. He made a killing against soft zones with his WR's running hitches or bubble screens. Look at his numbers against good D's.

silver5liter · 01-15-2013, 06:58 PM

What a shitty stat line in "big games" Geno wilts in.

Cant put the team on his back?

Watch the second half vs oklahoma

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZCPd5u6f3c

limited understand of reading a variety of coverages?

Seriously i cant even answer that one, the guy threw 42tds and 6 ints all damn year and he cant read a defense?

Saccopoo · 01-15-2013, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

Yes I did, I watch a lot of college football. He made a killing against soft zones with his WR's running hitches or bubble screens. Look at his numbers against good D's.

Okay...

How about this D?

Maybe one of the best college defenses of all time with first round talent all over the field.

Every one of his passes:

RustShack · 01-15-2013, 07:00 PM

If you look at Geno's stat line, its pretty safe to say he carried that team. They would have been lucky to win a game without him.

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver5liter

What a shitty stat line in "big games" Geno wilts in.

Cant put the team on his back?

Watch the second half vs oklahoma

limited understand of reading a variety of coverages?

Seriously i cant even answer that one, the guy threw 42tds and 6 ints all damn year and he cant read a defense?

Austin and Bailey had a lot to do with it....I'm not saying he's horrible. I'm saying I don't like him. Thats what my eyes see, numbers mean nothing. In the end wins matter.

ModSocks · 01-15-2013, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

Wilts in big games, can't put the team on his back, limited understand of reading a variety of coverages. Sometimes he looks impressive and other times he looks absolutely lost out there. He's a 1st round talent, but not #1 overall. Like I said Nassib and Wilson are my fav QB's in the draft. My Wilson love is leftover from last year though.

Alright, clearly you have some sort of bias, because your logic is all over the damn place.

You like Nassib but think Geno Wilts in big games? You do realize that Geno outplayed Nassib in the Pinstripe bowl, right? Oh, and Orange Bowl 2011 says hi.

You like Wilson but not Smith? Yeah, im lost on that one.....both are good QB's. I don't know how you could like Wilson and not like Smith?

Can't carry the team on his back? I guess 47 ppg isn't enough. He shoulda put up 60+ to carry that defense, right?

just....no....no...

silver5liter · 01-15-2013, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

Yes I did, I watch a lot of college football. He made a killing against soft zones with his WR's running hitches or bubble screens. Look at his numbers against good D's.

Just posted,

Only games he looked bad in were Kstate, where his whole team got rolled and still completed 65 percent of his passes. Texas tech which was basically the same thing... He looked great vs Oklahoma and Texas who have pretty damn good pass defenses.

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Alright, clearly you have some sort of bias, because your logic is all over the damn place.

You like Nassib but think Geno Wilts in big games? You do realize that Geno outplayed Nassib in the Pinstripe bowl, right? Oh, and Orange Bowl 2011 says hi.

You like Wilson but not Smith? Yeah, im lost on that one.....both are good QB's. I don't know how you could like Wilson and not like Smith?

Can't carry the team on his back? I guess 47 ppg isn't enough. He shoulda put up 60+ to carry that defense, right?

just....no....no...

This made me giggle

silver5liter · 01-15-2013, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

Austin and Bailey had a lot to do with it....I'm not saying he's horrible. I'm saying I don't like him. Thats what my eyes see, numbers mean nothing. In the end wins matter.

Is it because of his color because i cant see any other reason.

ModSocks · 01-15-2013, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

This made me giggle

Show me how im wrong.

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver5liter

Just posted,

Only games he looked bad in were Kstate, where his whole team got rolled and still completed 65 percent of his passes. Texas tech which was basically the same thing... He looked great vs Oklahoma and Texas who have pretty damn good pass defenses.

He's had his fair share of good games, never denied that he's a 1st round QB. YOu can say f value all you want, but at the end of the day it's getting a guy at #1 who you know makes you a better team instantly.

silver5liter · 01-15-2013, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

This made me giggle

Syracuse won, but Geno was quite a bit better. Your bias is fogging your glasses.

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Show me how im wrong.

Look who won the game...Syracuse destroyed them. Geno did absolutely nothing that game. He got lucky that Tavon took a ball to the house on a 3 yard route.

silver5liter · 01-15-2013, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

He's had his fair share of good games, never denied that he's a 1st round QB. YOu can say f value all you want, but at the end of the day it's getting a guy at #1 who you know makes you a better team instantly.

You think an accurate QB with a strong arm won make us better instantly?...

ChiefLongDong · 01-15-2013, 07:06 PM

What is a Geno Smith? sounds like a gangsta

01-15-2013, 05:17 PM
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $1816014	New-Look Chiefs Turning Attention to NFL Draft http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...inglePage=true The wholesale overhaul of the Kansas City Chiefs is nearly complete. Andy Reid has been hired to replace Romeo Crennel as coach, and longtime Packers personnel man John Dorsey has replaced Scott *** as general manager. Most of the assistant coaches are on board, and now the Chiefs can start turning their attention toward the rebuilding job. That includes preparation for the NFL draft. The Chiefs finished 2-14 last season, matching the worst record in their 53-year history. But the byproduct of all that on-field suffering is that they have the No. 1 pick for the first time, giving Kansas City a good place to start turning around the team. "We're in a unique position," said Dorsey, who will work closely with Reid but have final say over personnel decisions. "We all know there is some pressure involved in that." It is pressure unlike anything he's ever experienced. Dorsey began his career as a scout for the Packers, and eventually rose to direct of college scouting and director of football operations. But his primary responsibility was assembling the draft board, and the final decision ultimately came down to the Packers' GM — Tom Braatz early in his career, Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman after that, and most recently Ted Thompson. Now, when the final seconds are ticking away on April 25, all eyes in the Kansas City draft room will turn toward Dorsey for a decision that could shape the future of the franchise. "Ultimately, we're just trying to win Super Bowls. That's what we're trying to do," said Dorsey, adding that he plans to use a similar blueprint to Green Bay. "History and time has proven — and that's all I know — but this system works," Dorsey said Monday. "That's what I'm going to try to implement." Examining the Packers' drafts over the past two decades yields a few ideas about how Dorsey will proceed: He'll likely choose the best player of available, regardless of position needs, but also understands the importance of drafting for depth at quarterback. Many outsiders panned the choice of quarterback Aaron Rodgers when Brett Favre was firmly ensconced in Green Bay, and Rodgers has turned into a Super Bowl champion. Matt Flynn was picked in the seventh round and became a valuable commodity as a backup, while other guys such as Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks developed into starters elsewhere in the NFL. "What we've always tried to do is develop a third guy," Dorsey said, "and develop him and see if he can be a 2 or a 1." By contrast, the Chiefs have spent only one pick — a fifth-rounder — on a quarterback in the past six drafts, and the result has been disastrous play at the game's marquee position. Matt Cassel is still under contract, even though he was benched last season. Brady Quinn played just as poorly, while Ricky Stanzi never saw the field during the regular season. "Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said. "As you note the last couple weeks in the playoffs, the quarterback position is a very important position to the long-term success of the organization." Important enough to spend the No. 1 overall pick on it? Not necessarily. Dorsey and Reid both insisted they plan to draft the best player available, and that may not be a quarterback. West Virginia's Geno Smith is widely considered the best prospect at his position, but some draft analysts believe he's only worthy of a late first-round selection. "My draft philosophy, you'd love to get good players. That's the primary thing," Reid said. "As the general manager comes in, that's what he's going to do. That's his responsibility." It's not as if the Chiefs don't have other needs. Left tackle Branden Albert and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe can both become free agents, and there are gaping holes along the defensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary. And it just so happens that some of the best available players fit those needs: Texas A&M offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner and George linebacker Jarvis Jones. One thing that Dorsey made clear is that he won't reach for a player.** "Philosophically, you stay true to your board," he said. "You spend all those months staying true to your board, and all of a sudden you have to jump a player due to positional needs? I don't think you do that. Historically, we have proven you don't do that." Dorsey plans to keep the Chiefs scouting department intact through the draft, but he's also bringing with him an entire season's worth of his own scouting work from Green Bay. That will be augmented by work done at college all-star games, various pro days organized by schools, the annual scouting combine and from hour upon hour of highlight tapes. "It's going to be a focus of our fans, the media and our personnel department here for the next three or so months," Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said of the No. 1 pick. "It's very important we get that pick right." ——— Last edited by FringeNC; 01-15-2013 at 05:47 PM.. Reason: bold parts as requested for the pathologically lazy
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