Why KC can beat Denver at Mile High...

bishop_74 · 09-20-2000, 12:02 PM

-The KC/Den game has been, is, and will always be a well fought battle.

-The crap about them being a super high powered offense is still pretty unsubstantiated ( c'mon, they were playing Atlanta, St. Louis, and Oakland for Christ's sake!!!)

-Griese is STILL no Elway.

-Elvis might not be Elway either, but agains the Broncos D, he could look like it.

-The chiefs finally relieved som much needed pressure when Gunther finally took a huge dump last week and decided to open up the offense a little, you should see more of that next week.

-Broncos don't have a reciever like SlyMo or Gonzo.

-Chiefs might not have an Anderson or Davis, but when the balanced offence starts to kick in, watch for our new 224lb bouncing baby boy Moreau to shove it up that D line of the Denver Bronco's.

I have all of your what not's and bull accusations on my blackboard and they hold about as much water as my ex-wifes diaphram. We may not win, but don't even think this is going to be an easy game. I see Grbac showing us what he is made of this week, we'll see soon enough. GO CHIEFS!!!

Donkey Drew · 09-20-2000, 12:12 PM

Just a couple of observations:

* You're underestimating Denver's D.

* Denver has two 1,000 yard receivers in Smith and McCaffry. SlyMo has a lot of work to do to get mentioned in the same breath. Has Gonzo done diddly squat this year?

* You're underestimating Denver's O.

bkkcoh · 09-20-2000, 12:55 PM

Donkey Drew:

How are we under estimating Denvers D? How do you figure? How many point have the Bronco's given up this year. The Chiefs have played the top 2 teams in the afc and gave up fewer points to 2 teams than the bronco's gave up to the one of the better teams in the NFC? How do you think the defense is under-estimated? According to the numbers the Denver defense is worse than the Chiefs.

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Mile High Mania · 09-20-2000, 01:08 PM

The beauty of rivalry week...

BK Broiler.... I'd like to see how many points the KC defense gives up to the Rams.

There are many reasons that could be used to support either team winning this weekend. That's the greatness of the NFL.

I honestly just don't see the KC giant waking up and firing on all offensive, defensive and special teams' cylinders this weekend.

I think some of you are really believing that KC will roll up 170 yds rushing and 300+ yds passing while holding Denver to 13 pts and 200 total yards on their home turf.

The last time these two teams met at Mile High, it took a punt return to win the game for KC, 16-10.

If I were grading the teams ....
Denver was a C- level team in that game at Mile High last year and now they're about a B+. KC was about a B- team in that game and they're still about a B- .. maybe a B.

It should be a close, tough game. KC won't amaze anyone this weekend and Denver won't slobberknock 'em around ... but, Denver will definitely play well and win the game.

Donkey Drew · 09-20-2000, 01:11 PM

For example, look at Denver V. Oakland. Denver gave up 24 points. However, 14 of those points came on a blocked punt, and a turnover at the Denver 13. So the Defense basically yielded 10 points to the Raiders. The defense had five sacks, forced 2 turnovers, and scored once. They also shut out the Raiders at home in the second half.

Denver was up 5 TD's on Atlanta before they got their first first down. Atlanta's total O in the first half was under fifty yards, including a negative yardage figure for Jamal Anderson.

Niether of these teams are O dynamos, but the numbers speak for themselves. Denver's D is far from dominant or spectacular, but they are pretty dang solid.

ddpatterson · 09-20-2000, 01:15 PM

I like any post with the word "slobberknock". A football word for sure...

Chiefs 28
Denver 24

In a battle, Of Course.

bishop_74 · 09-20-2000, 02:29 PM

Gee Donkey, that sounds an awful lot like the KC D the last 2 games against a REPUTABLE OPPONENT!!! BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

[This message has been edited by bishop_74 (edited 09-20-2000).]

Donkey Drew · 09-20-2000, 02:42 PM

Yeah, well, I don't see anybody saying the Chiefs are vunerable because of their sucky D.

Plus, I don't recall the Titans ever being accused of having an offense. The Chiefs gave up some serious points to the Colts.

bishop_74 · 09-20-2000, 03:03 PM

Wait a minute, are you telling me that the Colts with thier "explosive offense" (Edgerrin James, Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison) are not an offense that is hard to contain? Or maybe that is what you are saying about the Titans offense? Both teams I might add went to the playoffs last year and one to the SB. And I am not saying that Denver didn't hold thier own against the Rams... that was a close game, but your logic is skewed if you really think that you had a tougher schedule than us the first 2 weeks. All I am saying is don't count your chickens, you could be in for a BIG suprise. Our first 2 losses were to play off teams and were VERY close games. We are only one game underneath you and you seem to think that no matter what, you will win. I know better than to put money down on a game like this, would you really invest a lot of money in the Broncos? I hope not...

Donkey Drew · 09-20-2000, 03:11 PM

Actually, I've been on record on a couple other threads saying that this game will be close and that the Chiefs might win. I was just pointing out that reality doesn't mesh with statements about the sucky Denver D. Denver's D is, at the very least, adequet to win against virtually anybody.

Mile High Mania · 09-20-2000, 03:17 PM

"Denver's D is, at the very least, adequet to win against virtually anybody."

Wow ... there's a hell of a statement.

Donkey Drew · 09-20-2000, 03:22 PM

Mile High:

I'm suprised you could take some time from being a Chief fan suck-up in order to take a shot at me.

I'm flattered.

BroncoFan · 09-20-2000, 03:51 PM

Donkey Drew,

I'm with you. My opinion, Mile High Mania is anything BUT a Broncos fan.

All season long this guy has had reasons for why Broncos are not as good as they look, and then he is the first Bronco fan to post a topic on this board after the Broncos Kick *** every weekend.

Drew, I am glad you have taken a stand for our defense. I don't think they are that bad either. In fact, I think that the only game (except preseason) in which they played poorly on defense was the Rams game. WHO is NOT going to play poor defense against the Rams?

Mile High,
Quit being an idiot. Be proud of the team you cheer for, and don't be afraid of these sorry chiefs fans. If your team is playing great football, there is nothing wrong with saying so.

Chief fans - reason why chiefs will lose.

They suck at football! Our 2nd string qb and 3rd string rb are still head and shoulders above your starters.

Mile High Mania · 09-20-2000, 03:58 PM

BroncoFan and DonkeyDrew...

If being a *true* Bronco fan means that I have to be like the two of you ... then, count me out.

If you guys get a kick out of being idiots, then that is cool. I actually like having 'conversations' with some of the KC fans.

You two make a great match.

Mile High Mania · 09-20-2000, 04:01 PM

One final note - you guys apparently just read selective excerpts from my posts.

09-20-2000, 12:12 PM	#2
Donkey Drew Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver, CO USA Casino cash: $10004900	Just a couple of observations: * You're underestimating Denver's D. * Denver has two 1,000 yard receivers in Smith and McCaffry. SlyMo has a lot of work to do to get mentioned in the same breath. Has Gonzo done diddly squat this year? * You're underestimating Denver's O.
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09-20-2000, 12:55 PM	#3
bkkcoh MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lewis Center, Ohio USA Casino cash: $9805595	Donkey Drew: How are we under estimating Denvers D? How do you figure? How many point have the Bronco's given up this year. The Chiefs have played the top 2 teams in the afc and gave up fewer points to 2 teams than the bronco's gave up to the one of the better teams in the NFC? How do you think the defense is under-estimated? According to the numbers the Denver defense is worse than the Chiefs. ------------------ bk
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09-20-2000, 01:08 PM	#4
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3697229	The beauty of rivalry week... BK Broiler.... I'd like to see how many points the KC defense gives up to the Rams. There are many reasons that could be used to support either team winning this weekend. That's the greatness of the NFL. I honestly just don't see the KC giant waking up and firing on all offensive, defensive and special teams' cylinders this weekend. I think some of you are really believing that KC will roll up 170 yds rushing and 300+ yds passing while holding Denver to 13 pts and 200 total yards on their home turf. The last time these two teams met at Mile High, it took a punt return to win the game for KC, 16-10. If I were grading the teams .... Denver was a C- level team in that game at Mile High last year and now they're about a B+. KC was about a B- team in that game and they're still about a B- .. maybe a B. It should be a close, tough game. KC won't amaze anyone this weekend and Denver won't slobberknock 'em around ... but, Denver will definitely play well and win the game.
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09-20-2000, 01:11 PM	#5
Donkey Drew Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver, CO USA Casino cash: $10004900	For example, look at Denver V. Oakland. Denver gave up 24 points. However, 14 of those points came on a blocked punt, and a turnover at the Denver 13. So the Defense basically yielded 10 points to the Raiders. The defense had five sacks, forced 2 turnovers, and scored once. They also shut out the Raiders at home in the second half. Denver was up 5 TD's on Atlanta before they got their first first down. Atlanta's total O in the first half was under fifty yards, including a negative yardage figure for Jamal Anderson. Niether of these teams are O dynamos, but the numbers speak for themselves. Denver's D is far from dominant or spectacular, but they are pretty dang solid.
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09-20-2000, 01:15 PM	#6
ddpatterson Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I like any post with the word "slobberknock". A football word for sure... Chiefs 28 Denver 24 In a battle, Of Course.
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09-20-2000, 12:02 PM
bishop_74 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Denver, CO. USA Casino cash: $8684993	-The KC/Den game has been, is, and will always be a well fought battle. -The crap about them being a super high powered offense is still pretty unsubstantiated ( c'mon, they were playing Atlanta, St. Louis, and Oakland for Christ's sake!!!) -Griese is STILL no Elway. -Elvis might not be Elway either, but agains the Broncos D, he could look like it. -The chiefs finally relieved som much needed pressure when Gunther finally took a huge dump last week and decided to open up the offense a little, you should see more of that next week. -Broncos don't have a reciever like SlyMo or Gonzo. -Chiefs might not have an Anderson or Davis, but when the balanced offence starts to kick in, watch for our new 224lb bouncing baby boy Moreau to shove it up that D line of the Denver Bronco's. I have all of your what not's and bull accusations on my blackboard and they hold about as much water as my ex-wifes diaphram. We may not win, but don't even think this is going to be an easy game. I see Grbac showing us what he is made of this week, we'll see soon enough. GO CHIEFS!!!
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09-20-2000, 02:29 PM	#7
bishop_74 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Denver, CO. USA Casino cash: $8684993	Gee Donkey, that sounds an awful lot like the KC D the last 2 games against a REPUTABLE OPPONENT!!! BIG DIFFERENCE!!! [This message has been edited by bishop_74 (edited 09-20-2000).]
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09-20-2000, 02:42 PM	#8
Donkey Drew Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver, CO USA Casino cash: $10004900	Yeah, well, I don't see anybody saying the Chiefs are vunerable because of their sucky D. Plus, I don't recall the Titans ever being accused of having an offense. The Chiefs gave up some serious points to the Colts.
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09-20-2000, 03:03 PM	#9
bishop_74 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Denver, CO. USA Casino cash: $8684993	Wait a minute, are you telling me that the Colts with thier "explosive offense" (Edgerrin James, Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison) are not an offense that is hard to contain? Or maybe that is what you are saying about the Titans offense? Both teams I might add went to the playoffs last year and one to the SB. And I am not saying that Denver didn't hold thier own against the Rams... that was a close game, but your logic is skewed if you really think that you had a tougher schedule than us the first 2 weeks. All I am saying is don't count your chickens, you could be in for a BIG suprise. Our first 2 losses were to play off teams and were VERY close games. We are only one game underneath you and you seem to think that no matter what, you will win. I know better than to put money down on a game like this, would you really invest a lot of money in the Broncos? I hope not...
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09-20-2000, 03:11 PM	#10
Donkey Drew Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver, CO USA Casino cash: $10004900	Actually, I've been on record on a couple other threads saying that this game will be close and that the Chiefs might win. I was just pointing out that reality doesn't mesh with statements about the sucky Denver D. Denver's D is, at the very least, adequet to win against virtually anybody.
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09-20-2000, 03:17 PM	#11
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3697229	"Denver's D is, at the very least, adequet to win against virtually anybody." Wow ... there's a hell of a statement.
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09-20-2000, 03:22 PM	#12
Donkey Drew Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver, CO USA Casino cash: $10004900	Mile High: I'm suprised you could take some time from being a Chief fan suck-up in order to take a shot at me. I'm flattered.
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09-20-2000, 03:51 PM	#13
BroncoFan Missed Everyone Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Donkey Drew, I'm with you. My opinion, Mile High Mania is anything BUT a Broncos fan. All season long this guy has had reasons for why Broncos are not as good as they look, and then he is the first Bronco fan to post a topic on this board after the Broncos Kick *** every weekend. Drew, I am glad you have taken a stand for our defense. I don't think they are that bad either. In fact, I think that the only game (except preseason) in which they played poorly on defense was the Rams game. WHO is NOT going to play poor defense against the Rams? Mile High, Quit being an idiot. Be proud of the team you cheer for, and don't be afraid of these sorry chiefs fans. If your team is playing great football, there is nothing wrong with saying so. Chief fans - reason why chiefs will lose. They suck at football! Our 2nd string qb and 3rd string rb are still head and shoulders above your starters.
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09-20-2000, 03:58 PM	#14
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3697229	BroncoFan and DonkeyDrew... If being a true Bronco fan means that I have to be like the two of you ... then, count me out. If you guys get a kick out of being idiots, then that is cool. I actually like having 'conversations' with some of the KC fans. You two make a great match.
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09-20-2000, 04:01 PM	#15
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3697229	One final note - you guys apparently just read selective excerpts from my posts.
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