If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by O.city

Since the Steelers drafted Big Ben, they haven't been a run first team. Or atleast IMO, they haven't been.

Yep prob right- most teams look to pass now first and run if they have too. I just have Always thought of the Steelers with a good d and a smash mouth type running game.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

And that wasn't with his hand picked 1st round QB. So yeah, now that he gets his hand picked 1st round QB he is going to throw it less than he did with a late round rookie?

Completely different teams. You have it that things will always be exactly how they have been. Besides you said Alex will either be benched or hurt anyway- but now you are saying he is going to be the next Kurt Warner??

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

If you aren't able to change and adapt, you aren't going to be successful. Reid is a smart coach and he's not going to lock himself into a singular mindset of doing exactly what he's done in the past just because he did it in the past.

The hiring of Chilly, using Ault as a consultant speaks to this as well as the drafting of Fisher and Davis, the signing of Schwartz, the signing of DeVito, the loading up on fullbacks, etc., speaks of a concept of precision ball control type offense using a mobile and accurate QB, big possession type receivers, fast running backs and blocking tight ends and fullbacks. Reid's own experience in a West Coast offense combined with a Pistol/Read Option option (pardon the redundancy) is most likely what we'll see this next season.

Look for the Utah Pass a lot this next season as well as various pull based screens and QB options.

It should be a much more exciting offense to watch than Dabolls horrific travesty that was forced upon us last season. And they seem to have the personnel in place to make it work.

Well, I'll give you the last part, but I'm pretty sure watching paint dry would also qualify.

[Mav]

All of these legitimate questions in this thread. Only slightly under three months until we know anything.

FML.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Yes!

People rave about the 49ers OL and "full roster", but our pass protection gets highly overrated. Our receivers have not been A+, and our D isn't as beyond reproach as outsiders want to think. If the Chiefs are even reasonably strong around Alex, he will continue to be efficient, and the Chiefs will put together a respectable season. Then the continuity in season 2 should make the Chiefs a deep playoff contender.

The Chiefs defense should be absolutely ferocious this season.

I liked Belcher as a player, but Nico Johnson is a big upgrade to him as a natural Mike linebacker. Combine with Hali, Johnson and Houston, the Chiefs should have the best linebacking corps in the entire NFL. They'll tear shit up this next season if the offense has any degree of ball control (and with that offensive line, Charles, Bowe, Fasano and A. Smith, there is no reason to believe that they won't).

Sean Smith is not being asked to be the #1 guy and should prove to be a solid #2 opposite of Flowers.

DeVito is an upgrade to Dorsey and Poe was getting better every game by the end of the season. Jackson is playing for his future in the NFL and should be much better suited to a one-gap defense than the two gap read/react of Crennel, as should Bailey.

Special teams should be terrific if they can get a good return game out of Wylie (or whoever emerges in that role, though Wylie should be the guy based on his college production in that role and his speed).

This is the real team that should be the true Dark Horse playoff team in 2013 that many pundits predicted last season.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Completely different teams. You have it that things will always be exactly how they have been. Besides you said Alex will either be benched or hurt anyway- but now you are saying he is going to be the next Kurt Warner??

Yeah, usually they are the same. THere might be some small changes, but in the end a coach is who is his and that ends up being a reflection of the team.

Next Warner? You have Pat seem to have this thing about implying people said things they didn't. It's really weird.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

If you aren't able to change and adapt, you aren't going to be successful. Reid is a smart coach and he's not going to lock himself into a singular mindset of doing exactly what he's done in the past just because he did it in the past.

The hiring of Chilly, using Ault as a consultant speaks to this as well as the drafting of Fisher and Davis, the signing of Schwartz, the signing of DeVito, the loading up on fullbacks, etc., speaks of a concept of precision ball control type offense using a mobile and accurate QB, big possession type receivers, fast running backs and blocking tight ends and fullbacks. Reid's own experience in a West Coast offense combined with a Pistol/Read Option option (pardon the redundancy) is most likely what we'll see this next season.

Look for the Utah Pass a lot this next season as well as various pull based screens and QB options.

It should be a much more exciting offense to watch than Dabolls horrific travesty that was forced upon us last season. And they seem to have the personnel in place to make it work.

Sorry, but I don't see it.

Reid has always been a pass first guy. Like I said, coaches don't change to that extent. He's still going to be a pass first guy. He will fit that to what he has, but we aren't going to see the 9ers type of gameplan anytime soon from him.

Like I said with Romeo, guys don't change. You hire them for what they've done and hope they can repeat it here. If you are hiring someone hoping they change into what you want, you are doing it wrong.

[ayleswbj]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Except that small fact that says the more Alex is asked to throw the shittier he is historically.

when your getting blown out on shitty teams of course your gonna throw the ball more and you have to throw into coverage and stats are always gonna be worse and very scewed. All you had to do was watch the Chiefs last year. Hell Carson Palmer as well. All garbage time stats TDs Yrds and also garbage time incompletions and ints. You thought the Chiefs were bad last year, look at the teams Smith played on 05 06 07. they were dead last in Defense all three years. YOu keep talking about this stat, but you write nothing about how bad the team itself was. All this predicates a Qbs numbers, with is exactly why they have tried to come up with a new rating system. QBR, I dont know if its much better but it is put in place to filter out all these things your speaking of. Picking up garbage tds and throwing more to play catch up. You didnt really do much research, you just looked at attempts. This is why we are fans and the other guys evaluate situations.

History, Histoy History, if we are to believe all these statements, then you must say you believe recent history tells us that Alex Smith is gonna win you a lot of games.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Either result is fine with me. I'm good if AS pans out and I'm equally good if Andy Reid finds someone better. There's nothing to sweat over when it comes to those two options.

As a free agent where you only owe Alex money, that is a no-brainer.

For a single 3rd rounder, that's a good deal.

For the 34th pick in the 2013 draft and the 45th to 70th pick in the 2014 draft, that is a rip.

Isn't that all this is about. It is not a matter of having another mediocre cast-off but about what price he came with. The Chiefs decided they would rather do without 2 high draft picks than take someone worse than Smith and use those 2 high picks for future starters. That is all this is about.

Signed out of free agency or for a single mid-round pick, Alex Smith is an awesome place holder QB as long as you need him.

Then because Alex Smith is such a good QB, you are never going to be in the basement where your chance is best to find an elite QB prospect. You are not doomed having winning seasons every year, but it makes it a lot harder to find your franchise QB.

I like Seattle's formula much better than the Chiefs.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You do know that the Chiefs have the fifth youngest roster in the entire league, right?

Albert is our "elder statesman" on the offensive line and he's just entering his fifth season.

The entire team is basically entering it's prime with six Pro Bowl players.

I fully embrace the concept of bringing in the best available QB to make a concerted effort to win now. They should make an effort to win now. They have the talent to win now, the coaching staff to win now and a QB who, if he replicates his last two seasons in the league, should be the final piece to accomplish this goal.

I see no reason why he won't be able to match his 2011 and 2012 production/numbers with the Chiefs and enable them to, at the very least, challenge for a Wild Card playoff spot this next season. (Personally, I think that the Broncos are being completely overrated and that the Chiefs have a legit shot at winning the AFC West outright.)

Ya but our core is aging in terms of close to 30s like Albert Hali DJ Bowe

[O.city]

So Andy Reid didn't play ball control football with a rookie 3rd round QB who was forced into action because of injuries, but we are thinking thats what he's going to do here with an 8 year vet coming off his best two seasons?


I don't see it. We are going to try and put up points by throwing the football, same as Reid has always done.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by ayleswbj

when your getting blown out on shitty teams of course your gonna throw the ball more and you have to throw into coverage and stats are always gonna be worse and very scewed. All you had to do was watch the Chiefs last year. Hell Carson Palmer as well. All garbage time stats TDs Yrds and also garbage time incompletions and ints. You thought the Chiefs were bad last year, look at the teams Smith played on 05 06 07. they were dead last in Defense all three years. YOu keep talking about this stat, but you write nothing about how bad the team itself was. All this predicates a Qbs numbers, with is exactly why they have tried to come up with a new rating system. QBR, I dont know if its much better but it is put in place to filter out all these things your speaking of. Picking up garbage tds and throwing more to play catch up. You didnt really do much research, you just looked at attempts. This is why we are fans and the other guys evaluate situations.

History, Histoy History, if we are to believe all these statements, then you must say you believe recent history tells us that Alex Smith is gonna win you a lot of games.

You're trying to poo poo away the facts. The common phrase was Harbaugh fixed Alex when we look into what he did we find he quit having him throw the ball. As a comparison since some idiots want to compare Trent Green and Alex Smith, Trent actually had his highest QB rating the same year he had his most attempts. Some guys can carry the load and some guys are well, Alex Smith.

I think Alex can be a QB on a winning team the same was he was with the 9ers, the same way Johnson was with the Bucs, the same was Dilfer was with the Ravens, and the same was Grossman was with the Bears.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by O.city

So Andy Reid didn't play ball control football with a rookie 3rd round QB who was forced into action because of injuries, but we are thinking thats what he's going to do here with an 8 year vet coming off his best two seasons?


I don't see it. We are going to try and put up points by throwing the football, same as Reid has always done.

Yeah, that's the only arguement I'm really seeing from the AS crowd. Be optimistic that Reid and Alice will be/do something they never have!

[Mav]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

You're trying to poo poo away the facts. The common phrase was Harbaugh fixed Alex when we look into what he did we find he quit having him throw the ball. As a comparison since some idiots want to compare Trent Green and Alex Smith, Trent actually had his highest QB rating the same year he had his most attempts. Some guys can carry the load and some guys are well, Alex Smith.

I think Alex can be a QB on a winning team the same was he was with the 9ers, the same way Johnson was with the Bucs, the same was Dilfer was with the Ravens, and the same was Grossman was with the Bears.

You missed a little part of it. Part of the reason they took the ball out of alex smiths hand in 2011, was because of who he had to throw to.

thats why in the offseason between 2011-2012, they signed Mario, Randy, brought in Celek, drafted aj jenkins, and drafted lemichael james. there was a limit of weapons, especially when Josh Morgan got hurt, Braylon became a distraction, and the wr's were Michael Crabs, swain, hastings, and kyle williams.

But your point is a solid one. I will say this. some guys are alex smith, but, then again some guys are Blaine gabbert, Cassel, fitzpatrick, and give the ball away like its a charity.....

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Self realization is a truly wonderful thing, is it not?

I've never pretended to know jack about the current Chiefs. I am saying what I know about Alex. That's it. I quit liking the Chiefs after Marty Schottenheimer resigned. The only reason I liked the Chiefs was because I liked Marty Schottenheimer from when he coached the Browns.

I hated crybaby John Elway with a passion for refusing to go to the Baltimore Colts. I wanted to see Bernie Kosar and the Browns crush Elway, but Elway had eyes in the back of his head and he would beat the Browns in the playoffs EVERY ****ING TIME!

I hate Elway and can't wait for Peyton to retire so the Broncos collapse when he is gone.

I don't know jack squat about the Chiefs and I never pretended anything different, unlike some people on this board who I will not name.