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Old 02-18-2013, 02:21 PM   #1
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Taking a guard at 1, would put them up there pretty close.
Put a percentage on how likely it is they take a G?
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:22 PM   #2
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Put a percentage on how likely it is they take a G?
If they're all about BPA and value, pretty high.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:22 PM   #3
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If they're all about BPA and value, pretty high.
I'll start 0%.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:23 PM   #4
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Put a percentage on how likely it is they take a G?
I say 10% or less. Andy Reid isn't reeruned.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:23 PM   #5
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I say 10% or less. Andy Reid isn't reeruned.
Too high.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:26 PM   #6
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I say 10% or less. Andy Reid isn't reeruned.
He took a 28 year old guard in the first round a couple years ago.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:11 PM   #7
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:14 PM   #8
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Warmack is real good, great feet. But Joeckel is a damn technician at LT. He's worthy of the #1.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:16 PM   #9
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Warmack is real good, great feet. But Joeckel is a damn technician at LT. He's worthy of the #1.
Warmack also has tremendous lower body strength and can dominate the guy in front of him physically.

Joeckel is a fine pass blocker. Against the run, or drive blocking, he lacks top end strength.

Eric Fisher is a better all-around LT prospect but Joeckel is being ranked higher because of his pass blocking upside.

Joeckel isn't a complete prospect and isn't worth the #1 overall pick.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:28 PM   #10
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Warmack also has tremendous lower body strength and can dominate the guy in front of him physically.

Joeckel is a fine pass blocker. Against the run, or drive blocking, he lacks top end strength.

Eric Fisher is a better all-around LT prospect but Joeckel is being ranked higher because of his pass blocking upside.

Joeckel isn't a complete prospect and isn't worth the #1 overall pick.
He fits what Reid will do with this team -- pass pass & pass more.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:30 PM   #11
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He fits what Reid will do with this team -- pass pass & pass more.
We already have a left tackle that fits what Reid wants to do.

As evidenced by the fact that Reid tried to trade up to get him in the draft.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:35 PM   #12
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Even if Joeckel is a perennial pro-bowler, how many games does he win all by himself?

A MEDIOCRE QB will get more wins than Joeckel even if he's an upgrade over Albert.

And of course, it's quite probable that he isn't...
I agree here. The QB is the most important on the field and needs to be upgraded on this team.

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The only negative statement is strange to me.


There is a possibility that they turn out to be all pro's as well. We can't use the fear of a guy busting as the only reason not to take him. If there are flaws that they see and don't think they are fixable, fine, don't take the guy.


But just saying "this guy is risky, he might bust and it could set us back", is no way to do that.
I 100% agree. But they're not going to draft based on whether or not a guy will bust. They are going to trust their evaluations and either say a.) We have to draft this QB, or b.) We don't.

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If they determine ALL of them will be shit, then their evaluations should be in question.

There has not been a draft in the history of the NFL that had ZERO QBs in it.

It's NEVER happened.

These guys get payed to find "the one".
2007 - Russell, Quinn, Kolb, Beck, Stanton, Edwards, Stanback, Rowe, Troy Smith, Jordan Palmer, Tyler Thigpen, Matt Moore (UDFA)

EDIT: 2002 was another horrid year for quarterbacks. These years do occasionally come about.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:03 PM   #13
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We already have a left tackle that fits what Reid wants to do.

As evidenced by the fact that Reid tried to trade up to get him in the draft.
I agree, but if they don't get him back, then no we dont. Also, we are changing schemes to a pure pass attack -- Joeckel is better by quite a bit than Albert is at pass blocking. Albert is a good LT for what he is, but Joeckel is and always will be a better pass blocker. It might just come down to that for this staff -- if you're going to pay the man, make sure of your options and pay the right man for the job. I believe this is why Albert got so pissed off at the new staff last week -- they want him to sign (accordingly) and play guard.
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We already have a left tackle that fits what Reid wants to do.

As evidenced by the fact that Reid tried to trade up to get him in the draft.
Did Reid try to trade up to get Brandon Albert the LT or Brandon Albert the G? Personally, I think you're probably right, but I'm not sure that evidence is rock solid.

Edit: I see this has already been pointed out.
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Warmack is real good, great feet. But Joeckel is a damn technician at LT. He's worthy of the #1.
And neither one will be largely responsible for winning games on the next level.
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