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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

Third Eye · 03-11-2008, 04:20 PM

Some good info. above. I really only have a problem with one aspect of it, the "duplicate" theory. Clearly, our helicopter pilot doesn't feel that the body he saw at the bottom of the ocean was the Oceanic pilot because he wasn't wearing his wedding ring. Perhaps this will be explained away in a later flashback showing the pilot losing his ring or something, but it is still problematic for me. Does this also mean that everyone brought to the island (Dharma, Juliette) had their dopplegangers killed, or do they still exist in the outside world?

**Rausch** · 03-13-2008, 08:23 PM

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Some good info. above. I really only have a problem with one aspect of it, the "duplicate" theory. Clearly, our helicopter pilot doesn't feel that the body he saw at the bottom of the ocean was the Oceanic pilot because he wasn't wearing his wedding ring. Perhaps this will be explained away in a later flashback showing the pilot losing his ring or something, but it is still problematic for me. Does this also mean that everyone brought to the island (Dharma, Juliette) had their dopplegangers killed, or do they still exist in the outside world?

This depends on what version of "time travel" you (or I guess the writers) believe in.

Do we live in a multiverse (M theory, string theory, infinate alternate universes) or the type of time travel that doesn't allow for the grandfather paradox?

Since the writers appear to be using fairly recent science and theory I'd argue they believe in a multiverse. This would mean that in the "outside" world the plane did crash and perhaps the pilot wasn't married or didn't wear his ring. The oceanic passengers left their outside world and went to the islan. However, when they leave they can't travel to the exact time and universe they left, only a parallel one that's very similar. This solves the grandfather paradox.

**Rausch** · 03-13-2008, 08:28 PM

Gravity also stretches spacetime. As you approach a singluarity spacetime becomes so stretched time seems to stop. I don't know the equation or conversion on how much one inch of spacetime would have to be stretched to equal a near stopage of time but it might also explain the buffer, or extra time between the outside and inside of the "island bubble."

Could the island be built around (yet far away enough from) the event horizon where light and information is lost but close enough to experience the slowing down of time? Perhaps the station was meant to control this singularity so it didn't continue to build or disperse?

**007** · 03-13-2008, 08:44 PM

So the obviously end up in alternate realities depending on when they got off the island. Kate and Jack got off together. Sayeed was alone. We don't know how Hurley gets off as yet. Sun and Jin obviously leave at different times based on tonights ep.

Also, because of this situation, we still have one or more people to reveal of the Oceanic 6.

**Rausch** · 03-13-2008, 08:56 PM

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Also, because of this situation, we still have one or more people to reveal of the Oceanic 6.

That depends.

We know Jack and Kate are flash-forwards. We know Hurley and Sun are flash-forwards. I don't remember if anything Sayeed did/said assured his was a FF. Lets say it was for now. That's 5.

If you consinder Jin one of the 6 (his grave was off-island) there's your six.

If you consider Jin's grave empty we have one left.

Could that be Walt? Did Michael stay and serve Ben like Juliet did so the one they loved would be safe at home?

Did walt and Michael not get off and we have 1 yet to look for?

Chiefnj2 · 03-13-2008, 09:02 PM

I thought the date of death on the headstone was September 2004. Wasn't that when the plane crashed?

irishjayhawk · 03-13-2008, 09:08 PM

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That depends.

We know Jack and Kate are flash-forwards. We know Hurley and Sun are flash-forwards. I don't remember if anything Sayeed did/said assured his was a FF. Lets say it was for now. That's 5.

If you consinder Jin one of the 6 (his grave was off-island) there's your six.

If you consider Jin's grave empty we have one left.

Could that be Walt? Did Michael stay and serve Ben like Juliet did so the one they loved would be safe at home?

Did walt and Michael not get off and we have 1 yet to look for?

Sayid was in the flash forward. He was the one killing people. I don't think he and Ben were in cahoots before the island.....

irishjayhawk · 03-13-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

So the obviously end up in alternate realities depending on when they got off the island. Kate and Jack got off together. Sayeed was alone. We don't know how Hurley gets off as yet. Sun and Jin obviously leave at different times based on tonights ep.

Also, because of this situation, we still have one or more people to reveal of the Oceanic 6.

Jin was a flash back. I'm pretty sure. He said he was only married 2 months....

Chiefnj2 · 03-13-2008, 09:17 PM

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Jin was a flash back. I'm pretty sure. He said he was only married 2 months....

Jin was a flashback - married 2 months and the store saying it was the year of the dragon which was in 2000.

I think Jin is alive back on the island which is why Sun called for him while she was ondrugs during labor. His headstone says he died on the date of the crash. He didn't make it back "alive".

I thought it was a pretty lame episode overall. You learn Jin has a baby, but Sun isn't with her.

**007** · 03-13-2008, 09:41 PM

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Jin was a flashback - married 2 months and the store saying it was the year of the dragon which was in 2000.

I think Jin is alive back on the island which is why Sun called for him while she was ondrugs during labor. His headstone says he died on the date of the crash. He didn't make it back "alive".

I thought it was a pretty lame episode overall. You learn Jin has a baby, but Sun isn't with her.

Interesting catch. I don't know anything about the Japanese calendar so I missed that. Plus, I couldn't read what was on the tombstone fast enough and didn't record the ep to rewatch.

Agreed that this ep was not very good after the last three eps.

BTW, you got your names backwards there. heh.

**Rausch** · 03-13-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I thought the date of death on the headstone was September 2004. Wasn't that when the plane crashed?

That's why I wonder if it might be an empty grave and Jin isn't one of the 06.

**Rausch** · 03-13-2008, 09:52 PM

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Sayid was in the flash forward. He was the one killing people. I don't think he and Ben were in cahoots before the island.....

I didn't get to see all that ep so I didn't catch any possible tipoffs as to the time. But he wouldn't be the first person to work for Ben that hated him later. Or lied about it.

If it is a FF that still leaves at least 1 of the 06 in question.

**007** · 03-13-2008, 10:03 PM

I wonder how many alternate realities they are working right now. We know Kate and Jack are in one reality. Jack and Hurley are in one reality. Hurley and Sun are in one reality. Sayeed may be in one reality. Jin? Hmmmm.

**Rausch** · 03-13-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

I wonder how many alternate realities they are working right now. We know Kate and Jack are in one reality. Jack and Hurley are in one reality. Hurley and Sun are in one reality. Sayeed may be in one reality. Jin? Hmmmm.

Could be.

We have no idea which theories the writers/creators decided to cherry pick for the show.

The show isn't what's fun, it's the fact that it forces us to do all this thinking that is...

Chiefnj2 · 03-13-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

I wonder how many alternate realities they are working right now. We know Kate and Jack are in one reality. Jack and Hurley are in one reality. Hurley and Sun are in one reality. Sayeed may be in one reality. Jin? Hmmmm.

Why do you think there is more than 1 reality?

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03-11-2008, 04:20 PM	#2731
Third Eye Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: JoCo Casino cash: $1550860	Some good info. above. I really only have a problem with one aspect of it, the "duplicate" theory. Clearly, our helicopter pilot doesn't feel that the body he saw at the bottom of the ocean was the Oceanic pilot because he wasn't wearing his wedding ring. Perhaps this will be explained away in a later flashback showing the pilot losing his ring or something, but it is still problematic for me. Does this also mean that everyone brought to the island (Dharma, Juliette) had their dopplegangers killed, or do they still exist in the outside world?
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03-13-2008, 08:44 PM	#2734
007 Shaken. Not stirred. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Casino cash: $14040126 VARSITY	So the obviously end up in alternate realities depending on when they got off the island. Kate and Jack got off together. Sayeed was alone. We don't know how Hurley gets off as yet. Sun and Jin obviously leave at different times based on tonights ep. Also, because of this situation, we still have one or more people to reveal of the Oceanic 6. __________________ My dear girl, there are some things that just aren’t done. Such as, drinking Dom Perignon ’53 above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit. That’s just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs.
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03-13-2008, 10:03 PM	#2743
007 Shaken. Not stirred. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Casino cash: $14040126 VARSITY	I wonder how many alternate realities they are working right now. We know Kate and Jack are in one reality. Jack and Hurley are in one reality. Hurley and Sun are in one reality. Sayeed may be in one reality. Jin? Hmmmm. __________________ My dear girl, there are some things that just aren’t done. Such as, drinking Dom Perignon ’53 above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit. That’s just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs.
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