NFL MVP

[Mile High Mania]

Interesting debates on these every year, here's one from ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12...demarco-murray

Peyton, Rodgers, Brady, Murray, Watt, Luck...

Where would you guys lean? I don't know, part of me tends to lean towards Murray quite honestly. I think Peyton's crazy 2013 year hurts the image of what he's done in 2014, especially when compared against the other QBs that are getting all the MVP talk. Peyton's right there with them.

Aside from all that, I think it's a pretty even race among the QBs in the discussion... I wouldn't give it Watt, I think my vote with be DeMarco.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Edelman's on pace to finish with over 100 catches again, and LaFell has more than 60 catches at this point.



Might as well say that Rodgers relies too much on Nelson.

If Nelson ever misses a significant amount of time and Rodgers struggles consistently then we may be able to say that.. But he hasn't so we can't.

We have seen Brady without Gronk and that's an ugly sight.

[Hootie]

I'm tired of them pimping up Watt's TD totals blah blah blah

Those 1 yard TD catches mean NOTHING. NOTHING. It's a stupid ploy to make him look more like an MVP candidate.

He's definitely the DPOY. He's not more valuable to his team than Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or even DeMarco Murray.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

If Nelson ever misses a significant amount of time and Rodgers struggles consistently then we may be able to say that.. But he hasn't so we can't.

We have seen Brady without Gronk and that's an ugly sight.

What the hell are you talking about? Brady without Gronk has been to the Super Bowl. If you mean the beginning of this year, there was a lot more wrong with the Patriots offense than just Gronk needing to get back up to par.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

What the hell are you talking about? Brady without Gronk has been to the Super Bowl. If you mean the beginning of this year, there was a lot more wrong with the Patriots offense than just Gronk needing to get back up to par.

Oh.

When was that?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

What the hell are you talking about? Brady without Gronk has been to the Super Bowl.

...10 years ago?

Back when they, according to you, had an all-time elite defense?

Or are you talking about the time they beat the Ravens to get to the Super Bowl a few years ago when Brady was absolutely abysmal in the AFCCG and the Ravens, with Joe ****ing Flacco, were two Lee Evans' dropped TD's from beating the Patriots because Tom Brady was so wretched that game?

Or are you talking about 2007 when Brady had Randy Moss, who turned in the greatest season a receiver has ever turned in, an ABSOLUTE ELITE OFFENSIVE LINE, Wes Welker and Donte "I used to be good" Stallworth?

Seriously.

What year are you talking about?

I really want to know.

Their last Super Bowl ... please ... since you Patriots fans are SO QUICK to point out the Peyton Manning Super Bowl year his 3:7 TD ratio despite the fact he only had 1 bad game (WC against KC where that game was won before it started) ... PLEASE try and defend Brady's PISS POOR, WRETCHED effort against the Ravens at New England?

I NEED TO KNOW WHY TOM BRADY GETS PASSES FOR HIS 10+ YEAR OF POSTSEASON INEPTITUDE?

He hasn't had a single good postseason in YEARS. He's played FAR BELOW his regular season numbers for like 9 postseasons in a row.

He's constantly been owned by Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez and yes, Peyton Manning.

Why does Tom Brady get a pass anymore?

I have to know this?

If Peyton Manning is a choker, which he may be ... Tom Brady equals him as a choker as well.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Murray had a super hot start but he's tapered off a bit. He's only averaging 4.8 YPC. That's well above league average but not truly impressive. The year Adrian Peterson broke 2,000, if D Murr could even do that, he averaged 6 YPC. That's truly special.

Murray is just racking up tons of yards because he gets fed 30+ times EVERY game and has the best run blocking line in the league. I'm not convinced guys like Jamaal, Jeremy Hill, Justin Forsett, etc couldn't have done the same if they were fed as often as Demarco.

Plus, the guy has damn near 400 touches and only 11 TDs. Jamaal has only just over 200 touches and 14 TDs for comparison.

On a play for play basis, Jamaal is ridiculously more productive than Demarco.

That's only because Dallas likes to pass to people called Receivers at times when they get close to the endzone.

[Mile High Mania]

Brady without Gronk, Rodgers without Nelson, Manning without Thomas...

You can do that all day. I simply don't think any of those QBs has set themselves that far apart (across the board of whatever area you want to judge them) from the others.

Rodgers had a slow start, Brady had a few off weeks and Manning has been off his stats greatness the last few weeks. They've all been pretty equally consistent though YTD. Again, only reason I say that no QB is the MVP at this point and would look at Murray.

[lcarus]

Murray has been fantastic, but Id argue that Dallas has a better chance of winning without Murray than NE, Denver, or GB would have without their QBs.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Jimmya

Take Murray away from the Cowboys and they wouldn't be in the playoff hunt.

Take Manning away and Denver wins four. My vote goes to Rodgers though.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by lcarus

Murray has been fantastic, but Id argue that Dallas has a better chance of winning without Murray than NE, Denver, or GB would have without their QBs.

Might find out this week... but obviously, a team can replace a really good RB (esp in an offense that has Romo, Bryant, etc) than a top team with an elite QB could do should they be forced to go to a #2 QB.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

That's only because Dallas likes to pass to people called Receivers at times when they get close to the endzone.

The Mule Tool strikes again. Another attempt at a donc dick sucking thread.

[Chief Roundup]

I think it goes to Rodgers over Watt. The Texans are probably not making the playoffs while the Pack look to be the team to beat in the NFC. QBs are the media darlings and will get the nod over a defensive player.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Take Manning away and Denver wins four. My vote goes to Rodgers though.

Again - take away any of those elite QBs and those teams aren't winning half their games (most likely).

I guess what I'd be looking for is what separates any of those QBs from the others this year in regards to the MVP race?

They're all equally consistent.
They all dominate 1-2 areas of the key statistical categories.
Two have 11 wins and two have 10 wins.

All but Luck (2) has at least 3 road losses, Rodgers has 4. Packers are the only one that have not won their division yet, they're tied with the Lions.

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

The Mule Tool strikes again. Another attempt at a donc dick sucking thread.

And, you're a moron.

[Hootie]

It's 2014 (almost 2015). It's simple.

A QB wins the MVP.

SOMETIMES a RB or WR can win OPOY.

and the best defensive guy gets DPOY.

Get used to it.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

No way watching the games I can vote for Murray or WAtt over Rodgers. Not a chance in hell.