The Rain Man Classic: Worst Chiefs of All-Time

['Hamas' Jenkins]

In honor of Rainman's various collections of individuals, both hero and scoundrel, I figured that we should establish who the worst Chiefs of all time were, taking into account only play on the field.

Requirements: 1 player per position.

Offense: LT,LG,C,RG,RT,WR1,WR2,TE,HB,FB,QB
Defense: RDE, NT, 3T, LDE, WLB, MLB, SLB, RCB, LCB, FS, SS

ST:1 KR, 1, P, 1 PR, 1 K, 1 LS, 1 KOS.

Rules: They must have started a minimum of three games for the Chiefs, with the exception of KOS and LS.

Nominations will be taken for two days, wherein a poll of choices will be presented, and the Herman Edwards Memorial All-Time Toilet Bowl Chiefs will be crowned.

Please provide reasoning for your nomination. Illustrate specific failures when necessary, and if possible.

The nominees are:

LT: Jordan Black, G-Rod Walters, Marcus Spears
LG: Bob Simmons, Tom Condon
C: Rudy Niswanger, Jeff Smith, Tom Baugh
RG: Adrian Jones, Brad Budde, George Daney
RT: Kyle Turley, Kevin Sampson, Chris Terry, Chris Bober, Damion McIntosh
HB: Mike Cloud, Rashaan Shehee, Paul Palmer, Greg Hill, Bam Morris, Donnell Bennett, Ethan Horton, James Hadnot, Jewerl Thomas, Billy Jackson
FB: Boomer Grigsby, Ronnie Cruz
WR: Snoop Minnis, Samie Parker, Danan Hughes, Kevin Lockett, Larry Parker, Chris Thomas, Robb Thomas, Barry Pearson, Pete Mandley, Dennis Homan
WR: Sean LaChappelle, Chris Horn, Chris Penn, Jeff Webb, Devard Darling, Lake Dawson
TE: Ed Beckman, Willie Scott, Kris Wilson
QB: Todd Blackledge, Elvis Grbac, Steve Pueller, Steve Bono, Tyler Thigpen, Pete Beathard, Bill Kenney, Steve Fuller

LDE: Turk McBride, Whitney Paul
NT: Thereerunian, Dino Mangiero, Ken Kremer
3T: Ryan Sims, Glenn Dorsey
RDE: Eric Hicks
WLB: Lew Bush, Shawn Barber
MLB: Kendrell Bell, Mike Maslowski, Pat Thomas, Jimbo Elrod, Scott Radecic
SLB: Glen Cadrez, Thomas Howard
RCB: Eric Warfield, Dexter McLeon
FS: Shaunard Harts
SS: Charles Mincy, Bernard Pollard
LCB: William Burntee

K: He who shall not be named
P: Dan Stryzinski, Jason Baker, Steve Cheek
KR: Eddie Drummond, Jitter Fields
PR: Eddie Drummond
LS: Ed Perry
KOS: John Baker

[RJ]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Hey, cdcox or other grizzled veterans, what's the truth about Elmo Wright? As a kid, I thought it was really cool that he did that gogo thing when he scored, but as an adult I've always wondered if perhaps he didn't do that gogo thing very often.

Jason Baker was an underachieving punter, though I think he's still in the league somewhere. We went through a spate of them a few years back - Steve Cheek, Baker, and someone else I don't recall.

Here's one for you. Zenon Andrushyn, though I may be spelling it wrong. I vaguely remember that he was there for a year between Stenerud and Lowery, and the great hope was that he was a world-beating guy who could be both our kicker and our punter. It seemed like a great idea, but it didn't work.

Jitter Fields as a return guy.

Great minds and such, see previous post.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Hey, cdcox or other grizzled veterans, what's the truth about Elmo Wright? As a kid, I thought it was really cool that he did that gogo thing when he scored, but as an adult I've always wondered if perhaps he didn't do that gogo thing very often.

Jason Baker was an underachieving punter, though I think he's still in the league somewhere. We went through a spate of them a few years back - Steve Cheek, Baker, and someone else I don't recall.

Here's one for you. Zenon Andrushyn, though I may be spelling it wrong. I vaguely remember that he was there for a year between Stenerud and Lowery, and the great hope was that he was a world-beating guy who could be both our kicker and our punter. It seemed like a great idea, but it didn't work.

Jitter Fields as a return guy.

Elmo Wright did the the jazzy legs exactly 6 times in his career. Had a promising rookie year and never followed it up. He was a hero of mine, too. But as a kid I was convinced that every player the Chiefs had were solid players if not borderline pro-bowlers. I just couldn't figure out why they couldn't win with those all-star rosters.

Zenon Andrusyshyn only punted for us in 1978. (No place kicking). He punted pretty good to, with a 41.1 net average, sixth in the league. Bob Grupp took over the punting duties the next year. Wonder why he didn't stick somewhere else?

[FloridaMan88]

I'd put Dave Krieg on that list for the Chiefs pathetic 17-0 playoff performance against San Diego.

[Rain Man]

That is a good net average. I remember at the time that it was well known that the Zenon experiment was a failure, but it still seems like a good punter is worth keeping. Maybe they decided he was just a punter and that Grupp was a better punter. Grupp made a pro bowl one year if I remember right, so maybe he just beat Zenon for the punter job.

[cdcox]

Grupp averaged 43.6 the next year, then fell apart.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Elmo Wright did the the jazzy legs exactly 6 times in his career. Had a promising rookie year and never followed it up. He was a hero of mine, too. But as a kid I was convinced that every player the Chiefs had were solid players if not borderline pro-bowlers. I just couldn't figure out why they couldn't win with those all-star rosters.

Zenon Andrusyshyn only punted for us in 1978. (No place kicking). He punted pretty good to, with a 41.1 net average, sixth in the league. Bob Grupp took over the punting duties the next year. Wonder why he didn't stick somewhere else?

Slightly off topic, but as a kid I envisioned that the Chiefs roster was filled pretty much the same way my school filled out recreational teams. You just showed up and signed up. I was determined that once I became an adult I would show up early enough to get a roster spot. Right there in line next to Buck Buchanan and Willie Lanier.

And oddly, it might have produced superior teams these last couple of years and Haley appears to have considered it.

[Rain Man]

I think I found Zenon's problem. He only punted well in even-numbered games.

I don't know why, but I find this hilarious. In 8 even-numbered games, he averaged over 40 yards every game but one. In 8 odd-numbered games, he only averaged over 40 yards once. In odd-numbered games he averaged 37.8 yards per punt (and had one blocked), and in even numbered games he averaged 45.0 yards per punt.

http://www.nfl.com/players/zenonandr...s?id=AND820449

WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Punts Yds Net Yds Lng Avg Net Avg Blk OOB Dn IN 20 TB FC Ret RetY TD 

1 09/03  @ CIN  W   24-23  1 -- 5 181 -- 53 36.2 -- 1 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
2 09/10  HOU  L   17-20  1 -- 3 134 -- 50 44.7 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
3 09/17  @ NYG  L   10-26  1 -- 7 250 -- 45 35.7 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
4 09/24  DEN  L   17-23  1 -- 4 197 -- 56 49.3 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
5 10/01  @ BUF  L   13-28  1 -- 5 189 -- 48 37.8 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
6 10/08  TB  L   13-30  1 -- 6 290 -- 60 48.3 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
7 10/15  @ OAK  L   6-28  1 -- 7 273 -- 47 39.0 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
8 10/22  CLE  W   17-3  1 -- 7 306 -- 56 43.7 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
9 10/29  @ PIT  L   24-27  1 -- 4 155 -- 55 38.8 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
10 11/05  OAK  L   10-20  1 -- 5 264 -- 61 52.8 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
11 11/12  @ SD  L   23-29  1 -- 5 191 -- 45 38.2 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
12 11/19  SEA  L   10-13  1 -- 5 201 -- 53 40.2 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
13 11/26  SD  W   23-0  1 -- 4 142 -- 40 35.5 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
14 12/03  BUF  W   14-10  1 -- 2 54 -- 31 27.0 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
15 12/10  @ DEN  L   3-24  1 -- 6 245 -- 49 40.8 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
16 12/17  @ SEA  L   19-23  1 -- 4 175 -- 53 43.8 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
TOTAL 16 0 79 3,247 0 61 41.1 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

[cdcox]

Ken Jolly LB 1985
Jerry Reese SS 1979

[chefsos]

I was poking around, looking for pictures or clips of Elmo Wright and found none.

But then there was this. How many guys have a racing dog named after them? There are three races in this clip, and [spoiler alert!] Elmo Wright wins 'em all.

But screw all that. Just fast forward to the end of the last race and listen to the announcer. I lol'd.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by chefsos

I was poking around, looking for pictures or clips of Elmo Wright and found none.

But then there was this. How many guys have a racing dog named after them? There are three races in this clip, and [spoiler alert!] Elmo Wright wins 'em all.

But screw all that. Just fast forward to the end of the last race and listen to the announcer. I lol'd.

Heh, I found that same video a few minutes ago when I was looking for Elmo Wright on Youtube.

[Over-Head]

Didn't read em all, but has Chester "The Hump" McGlocton made the hall of losers?

[chefsos]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Heh, I found that same video a few minutes ago when I was looking for Elmo Wright on Youtube.

There are tons of "Greatest TD Dance" type vids there too, but it's all Chad Johnson, TO, etc. I guess Elmo, Homer Jones and Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, the George Washington, Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson of the TD Celebratory Revolution I dare say, are long forgotten. It's a damn shame.

Or maybe the video's hard to find, too. Could be that...

[chefsos]

Originally Posted by Over-Head

Didn't read em all, but has Chester "The Hump" McGlocton made the hall of losers?

Now THAT'S a good pull. He wasn't bad wearing your atrocious gear, but sucked hard in KC.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Bill Kenney and Steve Fuller were both pretty bad.

I disagree on Kenney. put up decent #s over the years. pro bowl too

[Drew]

Anthony Hancock
Kelly Goodburn
Jim Arnold-before he went to detroit and became a pro bowler
Ted Mcnight
Sylvester Morris
Theotis Brown
Mike Pruitt
Lewis Colbert
Pete Koch-brilliant in heartbreak ridge!
Jonathan Hayes
Alfredo Roberts
Tim Barnett
cant forget Lonnie Marts
and the coup de grace: Jon Baker barefoot kickoff specialist who blew the raider game in 99 with multiple kicks out of bounds including ot. barefoot in january? me thinks not.