Game of Thrones (spoiler-free zone)

[keg in kc]

A few have suggested it, might as well test the waters. The idea is to give people who haven't read the books a safe place to talk about the show.

A few quick ground rules:

• No Spoilers!!!!! for upcoming episodes.
• Larger Song of Ice and Fire discussion should be limited to the other thread although I think a tiny bit of book delving to fill in holes should be okay (example of this would be talking about Catelyn and her treatment of the wolves in the novel, which was alluded to on TV but never really made clear...)
• Everything that happened that week is fair game once an episode airs. So if you don't watch on Sunday night, I'd stay outta here until you do...

[Hawk]

As someone posted in the spoiler thread, GRRM himself did not seem to approve of the handling of the Jaime/Cersei scene.

George RR Martin ‏@_GRRM_ 2h

For the record, Jaime and Cersie had mutual sex next to Joff's corpse in the books. That scene came off a little rapey... I'm not THAT sick.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by Hawk

As someone posted in the spoiler thread, GRRM himself did not seem to approve of the handling of the Jaime/Cersei scene.

George RR Martin ‏@_GRRM_ 2h

For the record, Jaime and Cersie had mutual sex next to Joff's corpse in the books. That scene came off a little rapey... I'm not THAT sick.

Rapey or not, that was a pretty messed up scene. And that's in relation to a show that defines "messed up scene".

[Chief Gump]

Originally Posted by Hawk

As someone posted in the spoiler thread, GRRM himself did not seem to approve of the handling of the Jaime/Cersei scene.

George RR Martin ‏@_GRRM_ 2h

For the record, Jaime and Cersie had mutual sex next to Joff's corpse in the books. That scene came off a little rapey... I'm not THAT sick.

I think this was a joke on his part. I am guessing he gets a lot of say in what goes on in the story line. Especially since the story hasn't all been written. He would need to keep them on track for what is going to happen so they don't go way overboard in the direction they are taking the story.

Even if he doesn't have much say I think it was a joke. He writes some f'd up stuff.

[KCUnited]

Not a fan of the Bolton's at this point, but their sigil is outstanding.

[Easy 6]

I'm going to start season one before Swamp People tonight, if starting at the beginning doesn't help me get a handle on this... then I give up.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by scott free

I'm going to start season one before Swamp People tonight, if starting at the beginning doesn't help me get a handle on this... then I give up.

You need to watch all of them. Seasons 1-3 in order to get a firm grasp on this.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

You need to watch all of them. Seasons 1-3 in order to get a firm grasp on this.

Agreed, its the most convoluted thing I've tried to get into, I'm used to highly involved dramas with all kinds of shifting loyalties/storylines like Deadwood, the Sopranos etc... but this one takes the cake.

If starting from the very beginning doesn't work, nothing will.

[Aries Walker]

Watch it from the start, and (unlike some of my friends) don't be doing dishes or reading a book while you watch but actually pay attention, and you'll not only catch on but you'll be positively hooked.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Aries Walker

Watch it from the start, and (unlike some of my friends) don't be doing dishes or reading a book while you watch but actually pay attention, and you'll not only catch on but you'll be positively hooked.

Right, I hear what you're saying... this isn't something to drink along with.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by Aries Walker

Watch it from the start, and (unlike some of my friends) don't be doing dishes or reading a book while you watch but actually pay attention, and you'll not only catch on but you'll be positively hooked.

Thats what i do, when i watch GOT, i put the phone away, put the tablet away, shut off my pc. If not, ill get side tracked.

[Kidd Lex]

Dany gets hotter by the episode. Unfortunately I'd guess we don't see her nekkidnomo.

[Urc Burry]

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja

Thats what i do, when i watch GOT, i put the phone away, put the tablet away, shut off my pc. If not, ill get side tracked.

Oh yeah that was my problem. Always having a phone in my hand while watching. It took me til the beginning of the 2nd season to actually get who was who

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by scott free

Agreed, its the most convoluted thing I've tried to get into, I'm used to highly involved dramas with all kinds of shifting loyalties/storylines like Deadwood, the Sopranos etc... but this one takes the cake.

If starting from the very beginning doesn't work, nothing will.

I read the books. I watched the episodes again. I picked up new info and background on events that I never realized the first time I watched them. Pay attention, don;t multitask. The show is much better when you get the subtle and background info.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis

Dany gets hotter by the episode. Unfortunately I'd guess we don't see her nekkidnomo.

Too bad but she also said that after season 1. There is always hope.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Chief Gump

I think this was a joke on his part. I am guessing he gets a lot of say in what goes on in the story line. Especially since the story hasn't all been written. He would need to keep them on track for what is going to happen so they don't go way overboard in the direction they are taking the story.

Even if he doesn't have much say I think it was a joke. He writes some f'd up stuff.

I didn't interpret that comment as a joke at all.

This is the original scene from the novel:

She touched his face. "I was lost without you, Jamie. I was afraid the Starks would send me your head. I could not have borne that." She kissed him. A light kiss, the merest brush of her lips on his, but he could feel her tremble as he slid his arms around her. “I am not whole without you.”

There was no tenderness in the kiss he returned to her, only hunger. Her mouth opened for his tongue. “No,” she said weakly when his lips moved down her neck, “not here. The septons…”

“The Others can take the septons.” He kissed her again, kissed her silent, kissed her until she moaned. Then he knocked the candles aside and lifted her up onto the Mother’s altar, pushing up her skirts and the silken shift beneath. She pounded on his chest with feeble fists, murmuring about the risk, the danger, about their father, about the septons, about the wrath of gods. He never heard her. He undid his breeches and climbed up and pushed her bare white legs apart. One hand slid up her thigh and underneath her smallclothes. When he tore them away, he saw that her moon’s blood was on her, but it made no difference.

And that's where the show stopped following the novel, which went on to add this:

“Hurry,” she was whispering now, “quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime.” Her hands helped guide him. “Yes,” Cersei said as he thrust, “my brother, sweet brother, yes, like that, yes, I have you, you’re home now, you’re home now, you’re home.” She kissed his ear and stroked his short bristly hair. Jaime lost himself in her flesh. He could feel Cersei’s heart beating in time with his own, and the wetness of blood and seed where they were joined.

(I'll cut off there, because I think there's a chance that elements of the conversation they had immediately after shows up later this season.)

I think they tried to infer that consentual part of it with her gripping the altar cloth, I think that was them trying to denote passion, but they sure didn't include the rest of what was spoken.

And maybe because it wouldn't have mattered in the end, had they added that part, since we've evolved to understand that that 'no means no' and you stop as soon as you hear it. I think it's safe to assume that people may have reacted even more negatively to that encounter had she said no, he continued anyway, and then she ended up begging him to **** her. That's a risky message to put on tape, even if the setting is in a brutal pseudo medieval setting, and I think there would have been outrage over that, too.

Hard scene to watch in any case.