If not #1, where?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Tick-Tock.....Im Waiting

I think that we should all feel honored that without ANY Due Diligence on your part (Wonderlic, psychological testing, Pro Day workout, Combine work out) that YOU have decided that Geno Smith is unequivocally the best prospect in the 2013 draft.

Hell, the Chiefs should just close up shop. The pick is in!

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think that we should all feel honored that without ANY Due Diligence on your part (Wonderlic, psychological testing, Pro Day workout, Combine work out) that YOU have decided that Geno Smith is unequivocally the best prospect in the 2013 draft.

Hell, the Chiefs should just close up shop. The pick is in!

A QB is the best prospect in the 2013 draft. If the Chiefs decide it isn't Geno, then I'll be disappointed, but not dejected. I'll give the same amount of patience and time to that guy that I would normally give to Geno.

I don't really ****ing care what the combines, pro days, and interviews have to say about the top non QB prospects. They're the wrong pick for the Chiefs at #1, and should be totally ignored unless one of those guys falls deep into the first round and the Chiefs really like the guy.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

A QB is the best prospect in the 2013 draft. If the Chiefs decide it isn't Geno, then I'll be disappointed, but not dejected. I'll give the same amount of patience and time to that guy that I would normally give to Geno.

I don't really ****ing care what the combines, pro days, and interviews have to say about the top non QB prospects. They're the wrong pick for the Chiefs at #1, and should be totally ignored unless one of those guys falls deep into the first round and the Chiefs really like the guy.

Let's put it this way: If the best QB grades out at 69 and the best defensive end/tackle/OLB/O lineman grades out at 89, do you think it's in the Chiefs best interest to take that QB?

That's the elephant in the room that no one on Chiefsplanet wants to discuss, at least with ANY civility.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Let's put it this way: If the best QB grades out at 69 and the best defensive end/tackle/OLB/O lineman grades out at 89, do you think it's in the Chiefs best interest to take that QB?

That's the elephant in the room that no one on Chiefsplanet wants to discuss, at least with ANY civility.

Well, if thats the situation, yeah, take the other guy who isn't a QB.


But we've gotta get a QB somewhere. I'd assume do it in the first round, seems thats usually where the best guys are taken. Usually.

Where it gets fuzzy to me is if you're QB is say an 85 and the other guys are 90. Then I'm not sure what you do.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Let's put it this way: If the best QB grades out at 69 and the best defensive end/tackle/OLB/O lineman grades out at 89, do you think it's in the Chiefs best interest to take that QB?

That's not going to happen and you know it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

That's not going to happen and you know it.

Actually, I do not know that, especially with any certainty.

Everyone one of these guys has issues, which is why there's no clear cut consensus at this time.

It's also possible that they don't grade out as high as some of you guys expect.

Possible.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Actually, I do not know that, especially with any certainty.

Everyone one of these guys has issues, which is why there's no clear cut consensus at this time.

It's also possible that they don't grade out as high as some of you guys expect.

Possible.

When is the last time there was a draft where the top QB was rated below 80? The Chad Pennington draft? Was he even ranked below 80?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

When is the last time there was a draft where the top QB was rated below 80? The Chad Pennington draft? Was he even ranked below 80?

I honestly don't know.

But when was the last time there was so much uncertainty surrounding the position before The Combines?

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think that we should all feel honored that without ANY Due Diligence on your part (Wonderlic, psychological testing, Pro Day workout, Combine work out) that YOU have decided that Geno Smith is unequivocally the best prospect in the 2013 draft.

Hell, the Chiefs should just close up shop. The pick is in!

now those are results of interest -- not "throwing at the combine" as you said in a different post.

What matters to scouts & NFL staffs is the collegiate QB performances. Wins are good, but still not at the crux of what NFL teams scout in college QBing. They look for QB's that have focus, mental strength to come from behind, footwork and improvement in those areas of mechanics throughout their college play, gamers -- guys that can trick defenses, quick drops & quick releases, accuracy is a big focus... a long list I'm sure you are well verse in and could easily add to.

Geno has the most upside of all these QB's, most will agree, including you I'm guessing.

Imo the combine gives some perspective of general athletic abilities such as run speed, quickness and coordination, core/body strength etc. The wonderlic has some bearing also, but I don't believe any of these aspects from combine testing is as important as collegiate works. It gives NFL staffs some more time to spend with these players as well, and it becomes a bit more revealing as this is mere days before their big date with the draft, so focus becomes intense for both parties.

I agree with you when you say we really don't know if Geno Smith is the best QB and/or the right #1 pick, but for now, I don't see anyone putting up the kind of detailed argument for other players.

We see the Bray/Wilson fans posting win results, but again, wins are not the most important aspect of drafting a QB to play in the NFL.

Case in point; Brian Griese, son of former NFL HOF QB Bob Griese, went undefeated during his senior season for the wolverines. He was the MVP in the rose bowl, a game he handily won which capped off a perfect season for the young QB. He was drafted 3rd round that year and he never could put anything together in the NFL.

There are other examples, but I'll leave my point at that. Wins are definitely indicative, but not paramount in scouting a QB for the NFL.

I may change my mind as to which QB is the guy for this team in this coming draft. But right now, I don't see any reason to choose any other player than Geno. Not for the Chiefs. To me, they need to start a draft run on QB's the way they have made a run at DL guys over the past 12 years. If the Chiefs are going to compete in the NFL ever again, they need to do that because they have neglected the position for so long, I don't believe the Hunts have any idea why they fail so badly year after year.

Until now.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think that we should all feel honored that without ANY Due Diligence on your part (Wonderlic, psychological testing, Pro Day workout, Combine work out) that YOU have decided that Geno Smith is unequivocally the best prospect in the 2013 draft.

Hell, the Chiefs should just close up shop. The pick is in!

WTF are you even talking about?

You just seem hell bent on trying to start shit with me, its kinda funny that for whatever reason you seem to have latched onto me and try to argue for the sake of arguing.

I asked a simple question. To identify the positive characteristics you look for in a QB. I don't know that Geno will be the guy, I do know that it needs to be a QB, because no other position on this team will improve it as much as good QB play will.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

WTF are you even talking about?

You just seem hell bent on trying to start shit with me, its kinda funny that for whatever reason you seem to have latched onto me and try to argue for the sake of arguing.

I find it a little humorous...