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Old 05-10-2014, 01:39 PM  
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Aaron Murray Best Qb Prospect According to this!
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl...-means-nothing By far best qb prospect coming out of this years draft

This thing is pretty dang accurate http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl...-forecast-2012

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...2014-nfl-draft





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Old 05-10-2014, 07:36 PM   #77
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Then we agree 100%.
To swerve a little more, I think Aaron Murray is somewhat better QB than what you're claiming.

When it comes to him being the one that replaces Alex Smith? Yes. Aaron Murray is going to be a guy that eventually replaces one of the other QB's though and he looks like one of those guys that will be eventually the QB Andy Reid fleeces another team out of draft picks for.
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Old 05-10-2014, 07:40 PM   #78
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To swerve a little more, I think Aaron Murray is somewhat better QB than what you're claiming.

When it comes to him being the one that replaces Alex Smith? Yes. Aaron Murray is going to be a guy that eventually replaces one of the other QB's though and he looks like one of those guys that will be eventually the QB Andy Reid fleeces another team out of draft picks for.
I think people get the impression that I hate the Murray pick. I don't. It's a solid pick with very little downside.

I just can't stand the hyperbole. The dude is likely a career backup QB. He does plenty of things well but he really isn't great at anything.

He's going to have to overcome his height and one of the best ways to do that for a guy like him is to move the pocket and open lanes. The problem is that Murray struggles with his footwork when the pocket moves and that causes him fits.

I don't see him ever being a full-time starter and I sure as hell don't ever see him beating out Alex Smith. Most of the people here are just so starved for a home grown QB that anybody we pick is the next big thing. I think Aaron Murray will probably end up being a better, more dependable version of Chase Daniel.
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Old 05-10-2014, 07:40 PM   #79
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Arm strength hovers around adequate, showing average velocity to the intermediate and deep portions of the field. Passes outside the numbers occasionally take a while to reach their intended target

Average arm talent. Has to set his feet and everything needs to be perfect to function well. Could stand to improve his footwork. Marginal deep-ball accuracy -- tends to overstride and forces receivers to adjust. Many passes are pre-determined and often throws to spots.

Murray was a poised leader on the college field always in command of the situation and a passer who made good decisions with the ball. He lacks the measurables and arm strength for the next level but would do well as a second quarterback in a West Coast or timing offense.

Average arm strength and velocity; not one to win a game with his arm. Lacks the ability to deliver the ball on a rope consistently, and too often his passes take too long to get to the receiver. Several throws down the field are underthrown and require the receiver to come back to the ball.
Blah blah blah arm strength, guy is accurate as **** and in a WCO, he's got the tools he needs to play well. It isn't all about arm strength, guy throws a pretty accurate deep ball against some serious coverage.

I remember Peyton's knock being arm strength too, how's his deep ball again?
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His issues from being a starting QB in a West Coast offense are certainly correctable, so I wouldn't go as far as to say he's destined to be a career back up.

He can be a starter, but it's probably not going to be here.
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Old 05-10-2014, 07:43 PM   #81
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His issues from being a starting QB in a West Coast offense are certainly correctable, so I wouldn't go as far as to say he's destined to be a career back up.

He can be a starter, but it's probably not going to be here.
If they fix his footwork and his tendency to stare down his receivers, I see now reason why he couldn't be a starter here if we let Alex go. Guy has tremendous upside in a WCO.
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If they fix his footwork and his tendency to stare down his receivers, I see now reason why he couldn't be a starter here if we let Alex go. Guy has tremendous upside in a WCO.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's highly unlikely. Andy Reid seems to lust after more athletic guys as his starting QB.
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Blah blah blah arm strength, guy is accurate as **** and in a WCO, he's got the tools he needs to play well. It isn't all about arm strength, guy throws a pretty accurate deep ball against some serious coverage.

I remember Peyton's knock being arm strength too, how's his deep ball again?
I'm guessing you never saw Aaron Murray play prior to him being drafted by the Chiefs.

Go read the scouting reports. You'll see a lot of "passes come up short and in the dirt" and "under throws his receivers a lot".

I get it, you love the guy because the Chiefs finally drafted a QB. That doesn't mean you have to make him out to be something he's not.

And mentioning Peyton Manning is completely ****ing silly. It isn't even worth talking about.
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Old 05-10-2014, 07:46 PM   #84
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If they fix his footwork and his tendency to stare down his receivers, I see now reason why he couldn't be a starter here if we let Alex go. Guy has tremendous upside in a WCO.
He also has a problem with seizing up when things break down and completely melting down under pressure.

If they let Alex go and throw Murray to the wolves as early as 2015, I'll retract my previous statement.

He won't be a career backup. He'll be out of the league in 3 to 4 years.
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I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's highly unlikely. Andy Reid seems to lust after more athletic guys as his starting QB.
Yep.
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I'm guessing you never saw Aaron Murray play prior to him being drafted by the Chiefs.

Go read the scouting reports. You'll see a lot of "passes come up short and in the dirt" and "under throws his receivers a lot".

I get it, you love the guy because the Chiefs finally drafted a QB. That doesn't mean you have to make him out to be something he's not.

And mentioning Peyton Manning is completely ****ing silly. It isn't even worth talking about.
3:19

And that's a throw they included repeatedly on the highlight

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no way.
Not a noodle arm, no.

But has to have absolutely flawless footwork to deliver the ball accurately.

He short hops a lot of balls and his boundary passes tend to float too much.
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And that's a throw they included repeatedly on the highlight
He's wearing shorts and there's no linemen in front of him. Plenty of game film on him - the scouts don't often just make shit up.
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One thing I will say is if it weren't for the fact that Andy and Dorsey are completely shrewd when it comes to trading up in the draft, Johnny Manziel would be a Chief and Aaron Murray is never a topic.
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