Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB

[RunKC]

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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['Hamas' Jenkins]

I just don't know if I can take this kind of shit any more. The silver lining of the last year, the worst year in the history of the franchise, and nearly any franchise was a chance to start fresh and right a ship that had been on the wrong course for four ****ing decades. If this happens, it looks like it may just be another case of a retread charlatan ****ing this fanbase over.

The entire reason why Reid was a desirable hire is because he's been good at getting the most out of a QB. We suffered to get that #1 pick and now that we have it it's looking like we may absolutely waste it on a player of no value and/or redundancy. If that happens, just fold the next four-five years as well, because Andy Reid is a ****ing terrible, terrible, terrible gameday coach. Alex Smith is a turnip. You can't get blood from him.

We are rat-mother****ed if this happens, because those QBs will fly off the board mid-late first, and if I have to hitch a wagon to Mike Glennon I might just give myself a Drano enema.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

We are rat-mother****ed if this happens

Rat-mother**** you, John Dorsey?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by tk13

Anybody who makes an argument blaming any offensive player from the Vermeil-era for lack of playoff success should be locked in a closet and never allowed to participate in football discussion ever again. It seems like someone makes a comment along those lines every other week anymore.

First off, I don't blame them at all.


This all stems from Geno discussions where we were told that because he had one of the statistically worst defenses in college football, it didn't matter. Geno should have overcome.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Nope, this argument doesn't work. You specifically told us it didn't work when talking about Geno and his defenses. So get out with that bullshit.


Yes, Green was a good QB. I'm not arguing against that. But facts are facts. We made the playoffs once. You yourself told us that the QB should be able to carry said defense if he's that good.


So which is it?

Now you're comparing Geno and Trent. Okay I'll play.

So I guess we can get a QB like him in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft? Trent wasn't a first round pick. Neither were a bunch of the other QB's in the top half of the league aka Brees, Wilson, Kaepernick, Dalton, Romo.

It's unbelievable that people don't want to give Reid a chance. He is NOT *****. He's personally done great work with several QB's.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

After watching that Missouri game as a fan, I'm absolutely convinced now that we'll take Joeckel.

I'm coming to this conclusion as well -- even if you have an even trade in skills you're getting him for a fraction of what Albert would get. I'd guess we're going to end up with Joeckel, Matt Flynn/Alex Smith, and the best QB we can get at the top of the second round if someone is still worth taking there (I like Tyler just as much as Geno and hate when people gripe about size -- how many Drew Brees/Russell Wilson types have to put up huge numbers before that criticism goes away)?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Now you're comparing Geno and Trent. Okay I'll play.

So I guess we can get a QB like him in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft? Trent wasn't a first round pick. Neither were a bunch of the other QB's in the top half of the league aka Brees, Wilson, Kaepernick, Dalton, Romo.

It's unbelievable that people don't want to give Reid a chance. He is NOT *****. He's personally done great work with several QB's.

I didn't compare them at all. Way to sidestep the question, you've done that pretty well all day.

I didn't think the defense was a usable excuse. Is it or isn't it?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Blaming Trent for those failures is ****ing stupid. If you're going to point the finger at anyone, point it at King Carl and Dick Vermeil for not making our defense worth a shit.

Invalid argument. We've been through this. Trent Green was supposed to overcome said shitty defense and win the game all by himself.

Try again.

[BlackHelicopters]

Why bluff when you sit at #1.

[Hammock Parties]

If push comes to shove, I really hope we don't take Star, because I can't stomach that shit after 4 years of Tyson pattycake Jackson.

Take Milliner.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Invalid argument. We've been through this. Trent Green was supposed to overcome said shitty defense and win the game all by himself.

Try again.

Its funny because IIRC, he himself was on that bandwagon.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

If i read what has been said by a number of people is that there is no stanout number one. And this years draft class does not have the quality last year had. No one is saying its a bad class. Its just not a standout easy pick. Thats why people see opportunities to do more than just take a QB with the number 1 pick. The Geno or die mantra is the fanboy emotional point. We need a quality Qb. We have zero in what we have. We will have better this season. Geno? Maybe. But he is not good enough to make it an easy pick. Intangables will factor big time. The difference between the top 3 or 5 QBs is not enough to make any one an easy pick

Well, first I'm not Geno or die. But I am QB or bust.

You know why? Because for the first time EVER we have complete control. We don't have to settle for Sanchez because Stafford is already gone. We don't have to hope for a coin flip to see if we have a shot at Matt Ryan.

We can take anybody we want and it better damn well be a QB.

As for Geno, I've watched dozens of hours of his games. You can trust whoever you want - I trust my own eyes and experience. He's legit and he's absolutely worth the #1 pick.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

I didn't compare them at all. Way to sidestep the question, you've done that pretty well all day.

I didn't think the defense was a usable excuse. Is it or isn't it?

I didn't realize that it was the defense's fault that Geno had below average performances against Texas Tech, Kansas State, Syracuse and Oklahoma State.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Well, first I'm not Geno or die. But I am QB or bust.

You know why? Because for the first time EVER we have complete control. We don't have to settle for Sanchez because Stafford is already gone. We don't have to hope for a coin flip to see if we have a shot at Matt Ryan.

We can take anybody we want and it better damn well be a QB.

As for Geno, I've watched dozens of hours of his games. You can trust whoever you want - I trust my own eyes and experience. He's legit and he's absolutely worth the #1 pick.

I've actually started to come around on Barkley there. I think he could be realy good in Reid's offense.

I have already voiced my like for Geno and Wilson. So i'm pretty much in the same boat as you.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by tk13

Anybody who makes an argument blaming any offensive player from the Vermeil-era for lack of playoff success should be locked in a closet and never allowed to participate in football discussion ever again. It seems like someone makes a comment along those lines every other week anymore.

Dude, we got told FOR WEEKS that Geno should have won the Oklahoma game, even though he put them in the lead with around 2 minutes left and the WVU defense let the Sooners march right down for the score.

If it applies to Geno, it applies to EVERYONE, including Trent Green.

Unless people are ready to admit that they're not looking at this objectively.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Now you're comparing Geno and Trent. Okay I'll play.

So I guess we can get a QB like him in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft? Trent wasn't a first round pick. Neither were a bunch of the other QB's in the top half of the league aka Brees, Wilson, Kaepernick, Dalton, Romo.

It's unbelievable that people don't want to give Reid a chance. He is NOT *****. He's personally done great work with several QB's.

Who?

Outside of Donovan McNabb, who was the #2 overall pick, who was GREAT under him?

Name them.