Was this off season more fun than last?

[58Forever]

Let's see last year all we could talk about was Corey Dillon...

I'd say with all the wheelings and dealings and ****ing with the Rams...getting Green, Holmes, Horne, losing Grbac, McGlockton, Hasty...

This off season gave us much more to argue about...and not many rumors...I am psyched...I'm not ready for the Summer to be over, but I'm ready for some football....:cool:

[WisChief]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Packfan [/i]
[B]WIs Chief,

They would have paid Elvis 20 Million??? That what he wanted? Nobody get that kind of signing bonus.

C'mon already. Say something smart! [/B][/QUOTE]

Please show me where he wanted 20 mil signing bonus. I'm not saying he didn't - just can't find it.

Baltimore paid him $30 million

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2001/03/02/afc_movement/index.html#ravens[/url]

Now, would you please same something smart?

[Packfan]

The star reorted it the day after he was cut

[The Bad Guy]

Ken,

Your hypocricy runs wild on this board.

The only way to build a team is through the draft?

Did you guys draft Favre, Ahman Green, Ryan Longwell, Bernardo Harris, Frank Winters, Russell Maryland, Santana Dotson, Bill Schroder, Allen Rossum, or Gilbert Brown?

The answer is no.

Quit making the Packers sound like a team who has been built from the ground up through the draft.

There has been about 4 players on the Packers roster that I would say have been solid players that the Packers have drafted.

Leroy Butler, Antonio Freeman, Dorsey Levens, and Darren Sharper.

Every starter on your current team that has been drafted is medicore at best.

What I don't understand is why you spend so much of your time over here bringing up BS points.

Another garbage point you made is about Tony Horne. Go do some research about him as a kick returner. Hakim was never used as a kick returner for the Rams, only as a punt.

Horne is brought in here to fill a hole in the kickoff return game.

Your return man is Allen Rossum. I suppose you found him in the draft right Packfan? Nope you didn't.

You traded for him with the Eagles. So, if return men are so common in the draft, why didn't the Packers draft one?

Is there a filter option on this bulletin board? If there is, I'd like to find a way to block this guys posts. It's funny that his team has done nothing since 1996, but he has all the answers on how to build a team in the NFL.

[alanm]

" Kansas City hasn't won a playoff game in 8 years " Ken's generic statement he wields like a club. For no team shall pass his muster without one in the last 8 years! whatever.......

[keg in kc]

What I wonder is what he's going to say 5 years from now, when Green Bay hasn't won a playoff game in 8 years...

You know, the more I think about it, the more I realize that Ron Wolf really is a genious: he knows exactly when to jump from the sinking ship.

[Archie F. Swin]

Packfan does wonders for ratings, huh?

next time I post a thread, I'll be sure to call him out (invite him).

[ct]

[quote]
'The only way to build a team is through the draft?'
- originally from Packfan

Did you guys draft Favre, Ahman Green, Ryan Longwell, Bernardo Harris, Frank Winters, Russell Maryland, Santana Dotson, Bill Schroder, Allen Rossum, or Gilbert Brown?
- NFLScoopFrank
[/quote]

Let us not forget the minister, or Rison, or Howard, three key members of your pedestal Super Bowl Champs.

One more point, Ken. You keep referring to how the Rams were going to cut Green anyway, that they couldn't afford him. Yet they were WAY under the cap WITH Green's salary included. And tell me why you would bag CP so bad for such pathetic backup QBs, yet mention NADA of the Rams trading Green and annointing [b]JOE F-ING GERMAINE[/b] the backup on the most potent offense in the NFL?!?

You also keep referring to those two 1st round picks, and how they have to pay these guys too. ALL rookie salaries come out a specific pool of $$, called the Rookie Pool, ever heard of it? This number is adjusted based upon each teams draft positions and such. Just last year the Jets had 4 1st rounders, and had the largest slice of the rookie pool. Oh, and BTW, this is already accounted for.

So, one last question before I'm outa here today: What are your Packers gonna do now that your savior has gone? Now you have no "super bowl coach thing", nor do you have a "super bowl GM thing" either!! You guys are screwed!!

[WisChief]

NFL Scoop - you'll never hear a peep outa hiim on this - he'll only respond when his "Chiefs Suck" rant applies...

[Packfan]

NFL Scoop & Coryt,

The Packers havent won a super bowl with Allen Rossom, Bill Shroeder, Russell Maryland or Ahman Green.
They won with Adam Timmerman, Ross Verba, Aaron Taylor, Robert Brooks, Edgar Bennett, Dorsey Levens, LeRoy Butler, Antonio Freeman, Mark Chumura, Brian Williams, Tyrone Williams, Chris Jacke, William Henderson, All Starters, all draft picks.

Get your facts straight before taking shots at me.

Otherwise you begin to look like Titus and you dont want that!

Your own team has proven how NOT to build a team. Peterson has relied on free agency and its resulted in three playoff wins in 12 years. Totally pathetic.

One would think that he (Carl) and you (Chief fans) would finally understand that Carls way of doing this does not work.

Zero playoff wins in 8 years SHOULD be the ultimate clue.

[keg in kc]

Funny how he conveniently left Favre, Ryan Longwell, Bernardo Harris, Frank Winters, Santana Dotson and Gilbert Brown out of his "argument".

All starters, all draft picks my ***.

Typical peckerfan. Use only the "facts" that fit the argument and forget everything else, come hell or high water.

Two weeks from now he'll probably be telling us how great a job the peckers did building a "dynasty" through free agency and that drafted players are overrated because they don't pan out...

[Packfan]

Kyle,

The dip sh t that orginally made the comment talked about guys acquired last year and made it sound like they were part of the super bowl teams.

"all draft picks my ***"

Which ones werent drafted??

The Packers acquired Favre with a 25th pick in the first round. Favre was 22 years old at the time. Thats a lot different than trading the 12th pick for a journey man 30 year old QB.

[The Bad Guy]

Packfan,

Funny how you decide not to include 3 of the biggest reasons you beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

Brett Favre, Reggie White and Desmond Howard, three people that WEREN'T drafted by the Packers.

Without the play of these guys, you wouldn't have won.

But you decide to point to players that were drafted by the Pack to try to validate your point that you have to build through the draft when your Super Bowl team were lead by players that you had to acquire via trade or free agency.

Finding loopholes in your own argument is a pretty lame way to defend it.

[Gaz]

Packfan-

[quote] the Chiefs had to give up the 12th pick for an Elvis Grbac clone[/quote]

Another in a long string of false statements.

We did not give up the #12 pick for Green. We gave up the #12 pick for Green, Horne and Blaylock. I have corrected you several times on this, yet you continue to post untrue statements.

Green is not a Grbac clone. Green is a personable young man who wants to play for the Chiefs. His skills are different from Grbac’s. Whereas Grbac is a good fit for a smashmouth, play action team, Green is a good fit for a quick hitting, up tempo team. Since we are going to mount a quick hitting, up tempo Offense, Green is clearly the better QB for this team at this time.

I do not know why you continue to post false statements when we have shown you that you are in error.

xoxo~
Gaz
Tidying up after Packfan.

[keg in kc]

[quote]The Packers acquired Favre with a 25th pick in the first round.[/quote]

Funny, last I checked, the Falcons drafted Favre in the second round of the 1991 draft, not the Packers a year later. We were discussing "drafting" players, not "acquiring players".

Nice try at spin control there, but changing the paramaters of the argument doesn't work.

So, the best player on the peckers, the single player most valuable to the team and most responsible for its success in the '90s was drafted by the Falcons.

Pop! That's the sound of your argument going completely flat.

[Packfan]

NFL,

True. But lets look at each of these guys individually.

Reggie White: Not your typical, run of the mill, KC Chief free agent. White won a court ruling that allowed him to leave Philly without compensation. Without that ruling, he would have been franchised by the eagles.

Brett Favre: Wolf traded the 25th pick in the 1st round for a 22 year old 1 year "veteran". Favre was picked in the 2nd round by the Falcons the year before and threw 4 passes in his rookie season. Being that Favre was so raw, the Packers basically "drafted" and developed him on their own. You cant always draft the guy you want. Trading is another way of getting him. Dont try to compare this to Green. Green is a proven commodity. He hasnt won, has been mostly a backup, and is with his third team in four years. Guys like Green are available each and every year in free agency.

Desmond Howard: I will give you this one. He was a bust his entire career as a wide out, but the Packers found a gem of kick/punt returner on the waiver wire.

Without Howard, they still win it all, IMO. Howard wasnt even a pro bowler that year and if you look at the highlight reel from 1996, Howard had all kinds of running room. Tammy Vanover could have done what Howard did.