Senior Bowl Thread

[Direckshun]

Weigh ins are in.

QBs largely suck, size-wise. Logan Thomas looks like a Greek god, though.

Tajh Boyd, 6'0", 222, 9 3/8" hand
Derek Carr, 6'2", 215, 9 1/8" hand
Aaron Murray, 6'0", 201, 9 1/8" hand
Logan Thomas, 6'5", 250 lbs, 10 3/4" hand

There were a few other guys as well, but they were all short tiny guys like Boyd, Carr, and Murray.

Sheesh. No physicality in the QBs this year.

[Wilson8]

2014 Senior Bowl Game Stats...well at least a few of the ones I was interested in. See link if you want to see more.

TE Crockett Gillmore - 5 catches, 61 yards 1 TD.
WR Kevin Norwood - 4 catches 53 yards 1 TD
WR Jordan Matthews - 2 catches 38 yards
TE Jacob Pedersen 4 catches 46 yards

RB James White 11 carries 62 yards 1 TD 5 catches 15 yards

CB Chris Davis 3 punt returns for 29 yards also had interception with 17 yard return.

ILB Chris Borland 8 tackles, 1 TFL and 1 FF.
LB Christian Kirksey (was playing inside) 6 tackles, 1 TFL
CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste - 4 tackles 1 PD

http://www.seniorbowl.com/pdf/news/2...stats_copy.pdf

[Saccopoo]

Borland was a stud his junior year. Stud this past season.

I'd be really tempted to start pushing for him if it wasn't for the drafting of Nico Johnson, who I really like as well. I wouldn't mind seeing Borland next to DJ though...

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

4-3 end through and through. It would be tough to bring him in and try to turn him into a 3-4 OLB.

Uhhh what?

The 6-foot-2, 243-pound Ford projects best as an edge rusher in a 3-4 defense. He played defensive end in college, but he doesn't have the size to do that in the NFL. In a 4-3 defense, Ford would have to play as a linebacker who rushes off the edge in passing situations, similar to Von Miller in Denver. Adding in this Senior Bowl performance, Ford should be an early-round pick.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Uhhh what?

The 6-foot-2, 243-pound Ford projects best as an edge rusher in a 3-4 defense. He played defensive end in college, but he doesn't have the size to do that in the NFL. In a 4-3 defense, Ford would have to play as a linebacker who rushes off the edge in passing situations, similar to Von Miller in Denver. Adding in this Senior Bowl performance, Ford should be an early-round pick.

If his stock shoots up in the Top 15 it'll be interesting who falls in the 20-25 range.Which one always does unexpectedly like Aaron Rodgers and DJ did in their draft. Both were expected to go in the top 5.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

If his stock shoots up in the Top 15 it'll be interesting who falls in the 20-25 range.Which one always does unexpectedly like Aaron Rodgers and DJ did in their draft. Both were expected to go in the top 5.

There will be plenty of good players who can contribute from day 1 available at pick 23.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

There will be plenty of good players who can contribute from day 1 available at pick 23.

You seem fairly well studied on this draft and have been offering solid takes.

You should start a thread and list out your top 50, big board style.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Uhhh what?

The 6-foot-2, 243-pound Ford projects best as an edge rusher in a 3-4 defense. He played defensive end in college, but he doesn't have the size to do that in the NFL. In a 4-3 defense, Ford would have to play as a linebacker who rushes off the edge in passing situations, similar to Von Miller in Denver. Adding in this Senior Bowl performance, Ford should be an early-round pick.

I think I was thinking of Michael Sam. He looked out of place when asked to drop in coverage and play in space. Ford was pretty smooth everywhere though, so my bad.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Dante84

You seem fairly well studied on this draft and have been offering solid takes.

You should start a thread and list out your top 50, big board style.

Would be more inclined to look at prospects who would be available around our first pick and 3rd round pick since we don't have a second.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Would be more inclined to look at prospects who would be available around our first pick and 3rd round pick since we don't have a second.

Well sure, but since Dorsey drafts "mostly" based on BPA, apparently, I'm curious who you think that will be.

If you do a Big Board, we could then cross off the guys who will reasonably be off the board during the pick and get an idea for who you think the pick will be.

I mentioned in a different thread i started, but for me, a lot of the fun is trying to guess who the new Chiefs will be, as much as who they should be. Looking at smart people's BB's will help us get an idea or narrow it down.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Dante84

Well sure, but since Dorsey drafts "mostly" based on BPA, apparently, I'm curious who you think that will be.

If you do a Big Board, we could then cross off the guys who will reasonably be off the board during the pick and get an idea for who you think the pick will be.

I mentioned in a different thread i started, but for me, a lot of the fun is trying to guess who the new Chiefs will be, as much as who they should be. Looking at smart people's BB's will help us get an idea or narrow it down.

Dorsey seems to go with the BPA at the position of need. Needed OL, went with Fish. Needed QB, traded away his second round pick plus another second. Needed a TE, took Kelce. Needed a RB behind Charles, took Davis. Didn't address defense until later because it was perceived as the strength of the team, thus Johnson, Commings, and Catapano were taken late to fill depth.

Glaring weaknesses this off-season? WR beyond Bowe, Secondary, Interior pass rush, and then TE (though they seem to be betting on Kelce to come back in full health).

[jkw87]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Dorsey seems to go with the BPA at the position of need. Needed OL, went with Fish. Needed QB, traded away his second round pick plus another second. Needed a TE, took Kelce. Needed a RB behind Charles, took Davis. Didn't address defense until later because it was perceived as the strength of the team, thus Johnson, Commings, and Catapano were taken late to fill depth.

Glaring weaknesses this off-season? WR beyond Bowe, Secondary, Interior pass rush, and then TE (though they seem to be betting on Kelce to come back in full health).

I still have faith in Kelce, but I think it's clear that TE could still be an area of need, albeit not immediately. I'm not impressed with Fasano, he's overpaid, and McGrath is a case of working beyond your talent level. I doubt he'll amount to anything. Which is why they should still work on drafting one, hopefully it'll be BPA (Ebron).

I still think there are more immediate issues (secondary, dline, and receiver) but I still hope they grab a TE somewhere

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Dorsey seems to go with the BPA at the position of need. Needed OL, went with Fish. Needed QB, traded away his second round pick plus another second. Needed a TE, took Kelce. Needed a RB behind Charles, took Davis. Didn't address defense until later because it was perceived as the strength of the team, thus Johnson, Commings, and Catapano were taken late to fill depth.

Glaring weaknesses this off-season? WR beyond Bowe, Secondary, Interior pass rush, and then TE (though they seem to be betting on Kelce to come back in full health).

The top three most immediate needs for the Chiefs this off-season:

1. WR
- If McCluster chooses the free agent market, they are going to need a new guy for return duties as well as the slot. Odell Beckham or Brandin Cooks will be very tempting at the #23 spot, though there are a number of other guys who could fill this role that will be available with their third round pick and on. Avery has VERY questionable hands at this point. Jenkins is an unknown. Hemmingway is a special teams ace who doesn't have the speed or quickness to be effective as anything other than depth on offense. And Bowe, outside of the playoff game against the Colts, was mediocre at best. It is a huge area of concern at this point.

2. FS
- Kendrick Lewis showed promise as a rookie, but has significantly digressed from that point. It may be the reoccurring injury to his shoulder that has affected his game, but whatever it is, he was flat out torched multiple times this past season. He's also a free agent, as is Demps and Abdullah. That's three guys who could be gone, leaving the Chiefs with only Sanders Commings, an unproven and untested guy who will effectively be entering his rookie year in 2014 who is still listed as a cornerback on the Chiefs roster. The safety position needs to be addressed immediately. Unfortunately, this is a draft where there are no real standout players and a real lack of depth at the position and it looks like the team will have to deal with it in free agency. Fortunately, the safety class of 2010 is up for free agency and there are a number of very good players that will be available, such as the Packers Morgan Burnett, the Bears' Major Wright and the Eagles' Nate Allen among others.

3. Offensive Line
- Brandon Albert, Jon Asamoah and Jeff Schwartz are free agents. Albert is coming off of what I consider his best season as a pro (and one where he played under the franchise tag), but he wants top 3 LT money and he's simply not that good. Good at this point, but not great. They tried to trade him before the 2013 season and didn't get much interest, especially when Albert's contract demands were voiced. Asamoah has never gone beyond what he offered as a rookie and is just a guy at this point. There was a noticeable improvement in the lines play when Schwartz was inserted into Asamoah's RG position. And speaking of Schwartz, there are rumors that both he and the Chiefs want to work out an amicable deal, though until the paper is signed, it's just hearsay. As well, LG Jeff Allen was consistently the weakest link on the unit. He looked out of shape (most likely tried to put on quick weight in an effort to be more effective in the phone booth) and didn't handle defensive stunts and offensive line pulls and traps very well. I would expect that both Albert and Asamoah will be allowed to test the open market, which means that the Chiefs will need depth at tackle and the interior line with a real possibility of needing a new starter at the LG spot. If they decided to go OL with their #23 pick, there will be some very good NFL OG prospects available such as Mississippi State's Gabe Jackson, Alabama's Cyrus Kouandjio, Stanford's David Yankey, Baylor's Cyril Richardson or UCLA's Xavier Su'a-Filo.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by jkw87

I still have faith in Kelce, but I think it's clear that TE could still be an area of need, albeit not immediately. I'm not impressed with Fasano, he's overpaid, and McGrath is a case of working beyond your talent level. I doubt he'll amount to anything. Which is why they should still work on drafting one, hopefully it'll be BPA (Ebron).

I still think there are more immediate issues (secondary, dline, and receiver) but I still hope they grab a TE somewhere

McGrath only had one year of college playing experience, and that was at tiny Henderson State.

If he wasn't going to amount to anything, he wouldn't be where he is right now.

In what was his rookie season, with only the single year at as a Reddie of Henderson, a DII team, he showed the ability to be able to get open against NFL starting safeties and linebackers. He caught the ball well, showed the ability to turn upfield immediately for additional yards and made tough catches. He's got a lot more growth. His arrow is most definitely pointing up and I seriously doubt he's even close to reaching his potential.

The guy has beat the odds for a reason. And I believe he's got a lot of growth left in his game. I think he's got a chance to be a pretty damn good player.

[jkw87]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

McGrath only had one year of college playing experience, and that was at tiny Henderson State.

If he wasn't going to amount to anything, he wouldn't be where he is right now.

In what was his rookie season, with only the single year at as a Reddie of Henderson, a DII team, he showed the ability to be able to get open against NFL starting safeties and linebackers. He caught the ball well, showed the ability to turn upfield immediately for additional yards and made tough catches. He's got a lot more growth. His arrow is most definitely pointing up and I seriously doubt he's even close to reaching his potential.

The guy has beat the odds for a reason. And I believe he's got a lot of growth left in his game. I think he's got a chance to be a pretty damn good player.

I hope your right. Hey, I'm just stating an opinion from my own observations. I didn't know of his previous football experiences, let alone know how much he had. If he can continue to grow, great; I always want that from any Chiefs player. Right now, he's a number three in my eyes. That's just an opinion, though. I'm not as keen as most, so it's probably just an idiotic assumption

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Dorsey seems to go with the BPA at the position of need. Needed OL, went with Fish. Needed QB, traded away his second round pick plus another second. Needed a TE, took Kelce. Needed a RB behind Charles, took Davis. Didn't address defense until later because it was perceived as the strength of the team, thus Johnson, Commings, and Catapano were taken late to fill depth.

Glaring weaknesses this off-season? WR beyond Bowe, Secondary, Interior pass rush, and then TE (though they seem to be betting on Kelce to come back in full health).

Again, I appreciate your takes.

Were your perceptions on glaring weaknesses ranked in order of importance?

If so, and I only ask because so many of us assholes throw our two cents in anyways, but I'd love to see your rankings of the players as you seem to have a firm grasp on this year's class.

With that list, we can make assumptions on who will be available and who we should pick.

Basically what I'm asking, is who do you think we pick and why?