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Old 11-21-2012, 10:39 AM   #1
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Everybody talks about drafting a QB because we haven't done it since 1983.

Well, I've come around to the thinking of guys like Petro and others. I personally think we should hire the COACH first and let him have some say in who we get as GM.

We've tried the other way for the better part of 40 years and it hasn't worked. The last time we had a coach with as much or more power than the GM (Stram), we won it all.
So....IYO.....who should we bring in at HC? And who do you think they would realistically bring in for a GM?
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:46 AM   #2
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So....IYO.....who should we bring in at HC? And who do you think they would realistically bring in for a GM?
I havent' done a whole lot of research yet so the only guy I know of off the top of my head that fits my criteria is Andy Reid.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:05 AM   #3
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:11 AM   #4
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I don't care.

The overwhelming majority of this board wanted (and got) Pioli. We don't know shit about football, obviously.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:25 AM   #5
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I don't care.

The overwhelming majority of this board wanted (and got) Pioli. We don't know shit about football, obviously.


Great point!
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:02 AM   #6
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Everybody talks about drafting a QB because we haven't done it since 1983.

Well, I've come around to the thinking of guys like Petro and others. I personally think we should hire the COACH first and let him have some say in who we get as GM.

We've tried the other way for the better part of 40 years and it hasn't worked. The last time we had a coach with as much or more power than the GM (Stram), we won it all.
I don't believe the structure matters as much as the people.


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Clark says he wants to emulate the Steelers. Since the glory years of the 1970's, how many of their GMs can you name? One?

Look all around the NFL at the successful teams and the coaches are equal too or slightly above the GM in terms of say...
Jerry Reece and Tom Coughlin.
Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy.
Micky Loomis and Sean Payton
Bill Polian and Tony Dungy

Not opposed to the idea of a different structure, but your claim is off the mark.



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I havent' done a whole lot of research yet so the only guy I know of off the top of my head that fits my criteria is Andy Reid.
Oh....Hell no.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:05 AM   #7
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if its not Chip Kelly or Bruce Arians and it has to be a veteran coach I'd take Andy Reid and his GMing/FO over any of those potential other retread/vet coaches and the Bill Polian type control GMs that come with that.

I'd be happy with any of those 3. All 3 I feel would be the best at player development and that is pretty much what we need right now
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:38 AM   #8
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A head coach should be able to pick the guys he wants to coach. Therefor we need to hire the HC first and have them select a GM they want to take care of the business side.
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:53 PM   #9
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A head coach should be able to pick the guys he wants to coach. Therefor we need to hire the HC first and have them select a GM they want to take care of the business side.
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:57 PM   #10
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JFC, people, you hire a head coach to assemble a coaching staff that fits his vision of the football team.

You hire a General Manager to hire regional and national scouts, a director of college scouting and a director of pro personnel to aquire the best players possible to fit the head coach's scheme.

It's not the other way around. Andy Reid is the most proof that coaches with personnel decision don't do either job well. Jimmy Johnson in Miami is another example.

The Team President runs the marketing and business side of the operations.

As for Pittsburgh, Dick Haley ran the personnel in the 70's and 80's, Tom Donohoe and Tom Modrak in the 90's and Kevin Colbert since the early part of 2000.
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:14 PM   #11
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JFC, people, you hire a head coach to assemble a coaching staff that fits his vision of the football team.

You hire a General Manager to hire regional and national scouts, a director of college scouting and a director of pro personnel to aquire the best players possible to fit the head coach's scheme.
I agree with this. Check the ****ing egos at the door and work together to build and coach the best team possible.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:11 PM   #13
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Anybody give any thought to Mike Maccagnan out of Houston? Houston has drafted pretty well.
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Anybody give any thought to Mike Maccagnan out of Houston? Houston has drafted pretty well.
Wouldn't be opposed to that.
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