I don't know what to make of Sean Mannion.

Direckshun · 03-26-2015, 02:15 PM

I'm struggling here.

I alter on him from day to day. Crow and I were talking about him in PMs, and he seems to have a much more definitive take on him than I do.

I want to see a diamond in the rough, NFL starter. I see him in 2013 when he had a much better offense around him, and that's what I see. A great arm, elite size, ability to make progressions.

What I also see is a leadfoot who takes tons of sacks and struggled in 2014 against every single team that was worth two shits. (His surrounding talent in 2014 was really lacking, however.) Though the same could be said of Foles, could it not?

Tell me what you think of Sean Mannion.

**The Franchise** · 03-26-2015, 02:19 PM

IIRC from the Oregon State games that I've watched (since my wife is a fan).....his WRs dropped a lot of balls this last season.

CleveSteve · 03-26-2015, 02:22 PM

Sean Meh-nion.

Frosty · 03-26-2015, 02:45 PM

Sean's line sucked hard last year and the receivers were all very young and inexperienced. I thought he started fairly well but kind of went into a shell and stopped trusting his wideouts. He was very good in 2013 and during the 2012 6-0 start. In 2012, he hurt a knee against Wazzu and was tentative when he came back. Riley kept playing the QB hokey-pokey that year and during the next year's off-season, which didn't help him any.

The Stanford game last year was a good example of what Pest mentioned. When Sean would finally get some time and a WR actually got open(rare), he would put the ball right in the hands of his WR and they would drop it. Sean took a lot of sacks last year because he would have someone right on him when he finished his dropback. When he did have time, the WR weren't open. Think Alex against Miami last year.

He has a strong arm and is accurate. His weakness is that he isn't very athletic. It isn't just taking off and running that is a problem; he doesn't move well in the pocket, though that may be from a lack of trust in his line. I doubt he is a 1st year starter but may really blossom in the right system once he gains some trust in the system. The Foles comparison is a pretty good one, I think.

Sean had an excellent Pro Day and I've seen some talk that it has made his stock rise quite a bit.

kccrow · 03-26-2015, 02:48 PM

One thing I'll say here is that Rob Rang actually wrote a great piece on him for CBS in my opinion. There is a bunch to love about Mannion's game. Pro offense, pro arm, pro size. Then there is the stuff that really, really scares me about his game. Not mobile, clunky in his get-out from center and throughout his drops, and worst of all he's a drifter. He drifts away from pressure and makes bad throw because of it. He doesn't step up and deliver catch-able balls. It makes him awful. He throws interceptions, he makes terrible reads and deliveries, and he takes sacks. If Mannion can learn to not fear pressure, which I find to be a near unteachable trait, then he will be a star in the NFL. If he can't do that, he's never going to amount to anything more than a clipboard holder taking up a roster spot. The decision really comes down to that one facet, and it scares the shit out of me.

Frosty · 03-26-2015, 02:57 PM

Another thing to consider is that the Beavers' defense was bad the whole time he was here and there was a lot of pressure on Sean to keep up, which I think led to him forcing things at times. He had nice comebacks against good teams several times that were blown by the defense (this year at Utah, last year against Oregon, this year against Arizona State, though they pulled that one out). He also almost never had a running game to take pressure off.

Titty Meat · 03-26-2015, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

Another thing to consider is that the Beavers' defense was bad the whole time he was here and there was a lot of pressure on Sean to keep up, which I think led to him forcing things at times. He had nice comebacks against good teams several times that were blown by the defense (this year at Utah, last year against Oregon, this year against Arizona State, though they pulled that one out). He also almost never had a running game to take pressure off.

Mike Riley sucks

Frosty · 03-26-2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Billay

Mike Riley sucks

Frosty · 03-26-2015, 03:26 PM

By the way, the thought that someone else would actually hire Mark Banker as defensive coordinator...

Frosty · 03-26-2015, 03:29 PM

Back to Sean. Apparently the three teams that showed the most interest in him during his Pro Day were the Titans, the Browns and the Broncos.

None of those are appealing choices (for me).

Direckshun · 03-26-2015, 03:35 PM

Rumors are the Broncos are crushing hard on Grayson.

Saccopoo · 03-26-2015, 07:46 PM

I like Mannion.

Accurate, big, good delivery. Seems to have a good understanding of the game.

I think he's better than recent tall, pocket guys like Bray, Mallet, Osweiller, etc.

Solid guy as well.

I think he'd be a solid guy to have in the system. I'd take him over Daniel, Bray or Murray as the third option/developmental guy behind Pryor (who I think has a much better skill set than any of the other stiffs on roster at the position).

03-26-2015, 02:15 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4343447	I don't know what to make of Sean Mannion. I'm struggling here. I alter on him from day to day. Crow and I were talking about him in PMs, and he seems to have a much more definitive take on him than I do. I want to see a diamond in the rough, NFL starter. I see him in 2013 when he had a much better offense around him, and that's what I see. A great arm, elite size, ability to make progressions. What I also see is a leadfoot who takes tons of sacks and struggled in 2014 against every single team that was worth two shits. (His surrounding talent in 2014 was really lacking, however.) Though the same could be said of Foles, could it not? Tell me what you think of Sean Mannion.
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03-26-2015, 02:19 PM	#2
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3075047	IIRC from the Oregon State games that I've watched (since my wife is a fan).....his WRs dropped a lot of balls this last season.
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03-26-2015, 02:22 PM	#3
CleveSteve Veteran Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Pflugerville, TX Casino cash: $10010636	Sean Meh-nion.
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03-26-2015, 02:45 PM	#4
Frosty Go Beavers! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Warshington Casino cash: $5648243	Sean's line sucked hard last year and the receivers were all very young and inexperienced. I thought he started fairly well but kind of went into a shell and stopped trusting his wideouts. He was very good in 2013 and during the 2012 6-0 start. In 2012, he hurt a knee against Wazzu and was tentative when he came back. Riley kept playing the QB hokey-pokey that year and during the next year's off-season, which didn't help him any. The Stanford game last year was a good example of what Pest mentioned. When Sean would finally get some time and a WR actually got open(rare), he would put the ball right in the hands of his WR and they would drop it. Sean took a lot of sacks last year because he would have someone right on him when he finished his dropback. When he did have time, the WR weren't open. Think Alex against Miami last year. He has a strong arm and is accurate. His weakness is that he isn't very athletic. It isn't just taking off and running that is a problem; he doesn't move well in the pocket, though that may be from a lack of trust in his line. I doubt he is a 1st year starter but may really blossom in the right system once he gains some trust in the system. The Foles comparison is a pretty good one, I think. Sean had an excellent Pro Day and I've seen some talk that it has made his stock rise quite a bit.
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03-26-2015, 02:48 PM	#5
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3207078	One thing I'll say here is that Rob Rang actually wrote a great piece on him for CBS in my opinion. There is a bunch to love about Mannion's game. Pro offense, pro arm, pro size. Then there is the stuff that really, really scares me about his game. Not mobile, clunky in his get-out from center and throughout his drops, and worst of all he's a drifter. He drifts away from pressure and makes bad throw because of it. He doesn't step up and deliver catch-able balls. It makes him awful. He throws interceptions, he makes terrible reads and deliveries, and he takes sacks. If Mannion can learn to not fear pressure, which I find to be a near unteachable trait, then he will be a star in the NFL. If he can't do that, he's never going to amount to anything more than a clipboard holder taking up a roster spot. The decision really comes down to that one facet, and it scares the shit out of me.
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03-26-2015, 02:57 PM	#6
Frosty Go Beavers! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Warshington Casino cash: $5648243	Another thing to consider is that the Beavers' defense was bad the whole time he was here and there was a lot of pressure on Sean to keep up, which I think led to him forcing things at times. He had nice comebacks against good teams several times that were blown by the defense (this year at Utah, last year against Oregon, this year against Arizona State, though they pulled that one out). He also almost never had a running game to take pressure off.
Posts: 14,500

03-26-2015, 03:26 PM	#9
Frosty Go Beavers! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Warshington Casino cash: $5648243	By the way, the thought that someone else would actually hire Mark Banker as defensive coordinator...
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03-26-2015, 03:29 PM	#10
Frosty Go Beavers! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Warshington Casino cash: $5648243	Back to Sean. Apparently the three teams that showed the most interest in him during his Pro Day were the Titans, the Browns and the Broncos. None of those are appealing choices (for me).
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03-26-2015, 03:35 PM	#11
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4343447	Rumors are the Broncos are crushing hard on Grayson.
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03-26-2015, 07:46 PM	#12
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	I like Mannion. Accurate, big, good delivery. Seems to have a good understanding of the game. I think he's better than recent tall, pocket guys like Bray, Mallet, Osweiller, etc. Solid guy as well. I think he'd be a solid guy to have in the system. I'd take him over Daniel, Bray or Murray as the third option/developmental guy behind Pryor (who I think has a much better skill set than any of the other stiffs on roster at the position).
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