Still wrong to bash Surtain? - Page 3

CupidStunt · 10-17-2006, 07:50 AM

Because the dude was a f'ing embarrassment on Sunday.

Missed tackles for FUN and I don't remember him actually covering well.

Perhaps it doesn't come across like I'm nitpicking now. Perhaps people will see fit to actually criticize a player who's underperforming after a game when everyone else did the same thing.

King_Chief_Fan · 10-17-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

No, I don't. His contract obviously indicates he's supposed to be playing at a much higher level. He's supposed to be making plays like the one Law made in Arizona last week.

but he played like Law did this week

King_Chief_Fan · 10-17-2006, 10:25 AM

Under the rules of Carl Peterson, you can bash anyone you want, provided of course you are a season ticket holder which indicates that you are a true fan

Chiefnj · 10-17-2006, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

No, I don't. His contract obviously indicates he's supposed to be playing at a much higher level. He's supposed to be making plays like the one Law made in Arizona last week.

How many times was he thrown at against Pitt?

Hammock Parties · 10-17-2006, 10:28 AM

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How many times was he thrown at against Pitt?

Beats the hell out of me. He's not making plays. He's paid to.

Chiefnj · 10-17-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Beats the hell out of me. He's not making plays. He's paid to.

How can he make plays if he isn't being thrown at and the scheme isn't putting him in a position to make plays?

IMO, the best corners are the ones you never hear from or about.

58-4ever · 10-17-2006, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

How can he make plays if he isn't being thrown at and the scheme isn't putting him in a position to make plays?

IMO, the best corners are the ones you never hear from or about.

The scheme seems like a big problem to me. Every time a big completion was made over the middle, our defenders just looked around like "I thought YOU were suppossed to be there."

Hammock Parties · 10-17-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

IMO, the best corners are the ones you never hear from or about.

Look, whatever. Go watch Champ Bailey play. That dude is worth 40 million.

Mr. Laz · 10-17-2006, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

You guys are all dumb.

says a guy who names himself "Hootie"

our entire secondary had a terrible game ...... missed tackles, blown assignments.

it was pathetic

Chiefnj · 10-17-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Look, whatever. Go watch Champ Bailey play. That dude is worth 40 million.

Yeah, he did great against Kennison last year and the Broncos had that fabulous 29th ranked pass D.

Hammock Parties · 10-17-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Yeah, he did great against Kennison last year and the Broncos had that fabulous 29th ranked pass D.

Are you kidding me? That guy made more plays than any other corner in the league last year.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-17-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Are you kidding me? That guy made more plays than any other corner in the league last year.

That's just stupid.

Nathan Vasher
Ty Law

both of them made a lot more plays than Bailey did last year.

The problem with this D is a problem of scheme. The Cover 2 is absolutely dependent upon a great defensive line, which we only have half of. Without an ability to generate an interior rush, it's the easiest defense aside from the prevent to pick apart.

The safeties are also more important than the corners in a cover 2, which in our case exacerbates our greatest weakness while ignoring our greatest strength.

All teams that run the Tampa 2 well have great safeties and great interior linemen.

The Bears have Mike Brown and Tommie Harris.
The Bucs had a motivated Booger McFarland and that asshat Lynch
Hell last year when the Colts D looked great, they had Corey Simon and Bob Sanders.

The Colts lose Simon and Sanders, and know their D is an absolute sieve....I wonder why

The fact of the matter is that this team is better suited to run Cunningham's style of defense than Edwards', and as long as we run a cover 2 with this personnel, we will get gashed by teams with competent offensive lines.

Hammock Parties · 10-17-2006, 11:25 AM

I think you are overreacting. We were playing well on defense until Pittsburgh. Does one game really mean that much?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-17-2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I think you are overreacting. We were playing well on defense until Pittsburgh. Does one game really mean that much?

Ok...we played well on defense, this is true. But we did it against a rookie QB, who however good he may be, was still making his first start, a 2nd year QB behind a crap O-line with no receivers, and a team that just packed it in and didn't want to risk their QB losing the game for them (Dungver, of course). Our D played well against Cincy, but they have been sluggish this year, and they also knew they didn't have to throw the ball down the field to win that game, seeing as how their D was playing and the hole we were in.

We aren't as bad as we were in Pittsburgh, but we aren't as good as we were against SF, of course. We are going to have problems against the run all year, and that is going to wear us out come the latter part of the year.

ROYC75 · 10-17-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The fact of the matter is that this team is better suited to run Cunningham's style of defense than Edwards', and as long as we run a cover 2 with this personnel, we will get gashed by teams with competent offensive lines.

BINGOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !

Coogs · 10-17-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The fact of the matter is that this team is better suited to run Cunningham's style of defense than Edwards',

"Gun the Bus Driver's" list of casualties...

... GRob - played the safties to close (or maybe it was too far)
from LOS. Needed to move DE's out, and re-position DT's.

... next season... needed new players. CP fills shopping list + DJ.

... last season... DV and all assistants left him on an island.
New defensive HC and new assistant coaches re-charge
Gun's batteries.

... next year... forced to run Herm's system. Needs new players.

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