Royals (New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository - Page 148

duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

BlackHelicopters · 11-14-2013, 09:26 AM

Out on Chamberlain

Great Expectations · 11-14-2013, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Isn't he pretty much just an over hyped name? Surely someone in the minors can top a 4.9 ERA for much cheaper.

He was a stud for a while with our current pitching coach before his DWI/off field problems.

Change in scenery might be good for him. He was so good at one point that they tried starting him.

**alnorth** · 11-14-2013, 11:27 AM

Carlos Beltran on the possibility of going to KC:

Quote:

"I think it would be a great story if it happens for me to go back," Beltran said Wednesday from his native Puerto Rico.

"Right now, there are just a lot of teams that have interest in my services, but we haven't talked about the number of years or the money; everything is preliminary right now," Beltran said in his first interview on the subject.

Carlos on his health:

Quote:

"Right now, the way I feel, I can play 10 more years," Beltran said. "That might sound crazy, but physically I feel so good. I just want to be with a team that I can help accomplish what they're looking for, and that would be, hopefully, going to the postseason."

"Right now, I'm thinking about playing in the outfield; DH is something I'm not considering," he said. "Right now, the way I feel, I want to play in the outfield -- that's what I really enjoy; that's where I really have fun. Maybe later on, I might consider DHing here and there, but right now, that's not something I'm considering."

According to Rosenthal, if we get Beltran, then we'll seriously consider trading off Butler, and Seattle is interested in him. Given Beltran's comments though, we probably can't just make him our DH, we'll have to let him play RF until he can't.

Beyond all that though, its probably unlikely, there are just too many large-market teams chasing after Beltran.

Prison Bitch · 11-14-2013, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

According to Rosenthal, if we get Beltran, then we'll seriously consider trading off Butler, and Seattle is interested in him.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=2123

BigCatDaddy · 11-14-2013, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=2123

If he put Frenchy out in right, I think Beltran will be fine.

ChiefsCountry · 11-14-2013, 12:06 PM

Royals must want to sell a lot of tickets in Nebraska. Just put billboards of Alex and Joba up in Lincoln and Omaha.

duncan_idaho · 11-14-2013, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

If he put Frenchy out in right, I think Beltran will be fine.

I'm also not convinced Beltran completely fell off a cliff in terms of defense. After four years of being a neutral/very slightly worse defender in RF, he slipped to about 15 runs below average this year.

Pretty big outlier... but not necessarily an indication his defensive ability is completely gone.

I didn't watch St. Louis much (maybe 30 games), but when I did, I didn't see any of the glaring problems from Beltran that we saw so often with Frenchy.

Deberg_1990 · 11-14-2013, 03:38 PM

Will Myers won AL rookie of the year. hooray!
Posted via Mobile Device

C3HIEF3S · 11-14-2013, 04:29 PM

I want to thank all KC Fans, staff and teammates for making me believe again.
— Ervin Santana (@ErvinSantana_54) November 14, 2013

You are welcome. See you in February. #DontGo RT @ErvinSantana_54: I want to thank all KC Fans, staff&teammates for making me believe again.
— Jeremy Guthrie (@TheRealJGuts) November 14, 2013

Don't know if this means much, but thought I would share the twitter action.

Prison Bitch · 11-14-2013, 04:30 PM

Right, but the guy we got him for lead the AL in innings and quality starts and road ERA. He went something like 15-4 down the stretch and led us to our 2nd best record in the past 28 years. We got a shitload of value for Myers.

**alnorth** · 11-14-2013, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S

Don't know if this means much, but thought I would share the twitter action.

Its obvious that he genuinely likes Kansas City and the fans, but he also realizes that he would be giving up far too much money to stay, so he's trying to make the break as amicable as possible.

KevB · 11-14-2013, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

Its obvious that he genuinely likes Kansas City and the fans, but he also realizes that he would be giving up far too much money to stay, so he's trying to make the break as amicable as possible.

I don't blame someone in the least for going to the highest bidder. When you're talking about that much money, we aren't being intellectually honest with ourselves if we don't admit we'd do the same thing. He pitched well for us, can't ask more than what he gave.

BlackHelicopters · 11-14-2013, 05:35 PM

One GM is going to throw crazy money at Santana. Would not blame him if he takes it. Most of us would do the same. I wish him well, in the NL.

Sure-Oz · 11-14-2013, 05:43 PM

Love Santana, he will be missed and he deserves to make bank.

Just hope the Royals do the best they can to replace his production...his clubhouse presence will def be missed too i'm sure. Also the Royals would be stupid to trade Butler. can't trade offense away right now and expect to get a hitter back like billy.

**DeezNutz** · 11-14-2013, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB

I don't blame someone in the least for going to the highest bidder. When you're talking about that much money, we aren't being intellectually honest with ourselves if we don't admit we'd do the same thing. He pitched well for us, can't ask more than what he gave.

Absolutely.

No matter what, he's wealthy for the rest of his life, if he's not a dumbass. But we're talking the type of money that will ensure that his kids', kids', kids will be wealthy, if he's intelligent.

He'd be a serious dumbass not to embrace this opportunity.

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1770308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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BlackHelicopters Spiraling down the Drain Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Dante's Ninth Circle Casino cash: $2730588	One GM is going to throw crazy money at Santana. Would not blame him if he takes it. Most of us would do the same. I wish him well, in the NL. __________________ "We're both part of the same hypocrisy, Senator, but never think it applies to my family." "Fredo. You are my brother, and I love you. But never take sides against the Family again. Ever." 2019 Adopt a Chief - Travis Kelce #87
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