The Dark Knight Rises *Spoilers* Thread

[mdchiefsfan]

For anyone who has seen the movie and wants to discuss it.

[Hammock Parties]

This is pretty true. They could have done a better job with the rematch.

Why after having being severely beaten by Bane does he just go back for a direct fight against him ? I would have preferred to see some action ala Miller's Dark Knight, when he realizes that the villain is much stronger than him and brings him in a place where he can nullify his advantages. Brain against brute force, that's what Batman is supposed to be...

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

This is pretty true. They could have done a better job with the rematch.

Sometimes the situation is so dire that you don't have the luxury of waiting for optimum conditions.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Sometimes the situation is so dire that you don't have the luxury of waiting for optimum conditions.

See, I disagree here. Fox said that bat thing was made for crowd control. He just had to use it to take out some tumblers and then he was wide open. Why didn't he just plug away at the league of shadows dudes? Nope. He dumps it and goes to beat on Bane.

But from the story perspective, I understand why it was important. He had to show that he was back in it. He had to beat Bane. But tactically, he sacrificed a SHITLOAD of cops lives because he didn't blow holes in Bane's force with his plane.

That being said, I didn't think it detracted from the movie much. I tremendously enjoyed him pisspounding Bane.

[JD10367]

So, indeed, the child is mentioned first, the implication/assumption is put forth that it's Bane, and then they mention the plague/mask, and then go right back to the child story. So, clearly, unless Bane somehow grew up outside the hole, then accidentally tripped and fell back in, it's impossible for him to get beaten up and need the mask.

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First scene of Batman in the prison (after the one where Bane tells him his plan and says, "When Gotham is in ashes, then you have my permission to die."

Warden: "They pay me more than that to keep you alive."

(prisoners tying rope around one man)

W: "He will try to climb."

Batman: "Has anyone ever made it?"

W: "Of course not."

(man fails)

(blind old man in other cell mumbles in foreign language)

W: "He says there is one who did. A child. A child born in this hell."

B: "Bane?"

W: "An old legend. Nothing more."

Next scene in the prison, after Bane sets off all the bombs and gives his speech in the football stadium and then frees everyone in the prison.

(Batman falls out of bed onto floor, tries to get up.)

(Old blind man muttering.)

W: "He says you must first fix your back."

B: "How does he know?"

W: "He was the prison doctor, (and) a morphine addict... (inaudible dialogue, something about "he took care of the prisoners here" I think)... including your master, Bane. Many years ago, it was a time of plague. Some of the other prsoners attacked Bane. In the doctor's fumbling attempts to repair the damage, it left him in perpetual agony. The mask holds the pain at bay."

B: "Bane, is the child you spoke of, he was born here?"

(story of the warlord's daughter)

W: "This is Bane's prison now, he wouldn't want this story told."

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

See, I disagree here. Fox said that bat thing was made for crowd control. He just had to use it to take out some tumblers and then he was wide open. Why didn't he just plug away at the league of shadows dudes? Nope. He dumps it and goes to beat on Bane.

But from the story perspective, I understand why it was important. He had to show that he was back in it. He had to beat Bane. But tactically, he sacrificed a SHITLOAD of cops lives because he didn't blow holes in Bane's force with his plane.

That being said, I didn't think it detracted from the movie much. I tremendously enjoyed him pisspounding Bane.

Batman doesn't use guns against people, does he? I don't remember what the bat thing is that you're talking about.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Batman doesn't use guns against people, does he? I don't remember what the bat thing is that you're talking about.

The plane? You don't remember the plane? Right before the big end fight, he flies it right up to City Hall. Then ditches it and fights Bane.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

The plane? You don't remember the plane? Right before the big end fight, he flies it right up to City Hall. Then ditches it and fights Bane.

Oh, I didn't realize you were talking about the plane. Did it have any non-lethal incapacitating weapons on it?

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

This is pretty true. They could have done a better job with the rematch.

The Batman in this movie was not thinking things through. He was fueled more by anger.

The plot made that clear.

[Direckshun]

Here's a question I have:

Why is it important that we believe that story about Bane trying to ascend out of the prison, only to learn that it's Talia?

In what way does that serve the story?

I'm just trying to understand the movie better.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Sometimes the situation is so dire that you don't have the luxury of waiting for optimum conditions.

Then write it differently.

It was kind of a weak "boss fight."

There's a great Batman comic about Bruce Wayne taking out Azrael, who had been impersonating Batman for some time. Batman doesn't beat him with brute force. He does it with cunning, forcing Azrael to shed his armor and weakening his advantage. Batman defeats Azrael and Azrael admits Bruce is the true Batman.

Nolan gave us YARRR PUNCH PUNCH BRAWL ARRRRRRGH CATWOMAN SNEAK SAVE

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Oh, I didn't realize you were talking about the plane. Did it have any non-lethal incapacitating weapons on it?

He blew some shit up with it. IDK. Fox just said it was crowd control. And wouldn't you know it. Bane had a crowd out there.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

The Batman in this movie was not thinking things through. He was fueled more by anger.

The plot made that clear.

Yeah, it kind of sucks. That's not Batman.

There's a lot of hamfisted screenwriting in this movie. It's awesome, but could have been better.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Here's a question I have:

Why is it important that we believe that story about Bane trying to ascend out of the prison, only to learn that it's Talia?

In what way does that serve the story?

I'm just trying to understand the movie better.

The whole Talia plotline is a complete waste of time.

I mean, at the end of the movie she's fighting HARD so she can die in a nuclear explosion.

What?

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Then write it differently.

It was kind of a weak "boss fight."

There's a great Batman comic about Bruce Wayne taking out Azrael, who had been impersonating Batman for some time. Batman doesn't beat him with brute force. He does it with cunning, forcing Azrael to shed his armor and weakening his advantage. Batman defeats Azrael and Azrael admits Bruce is the true Batman.

Nolan gave us YARRR PUNCH PUNCH BRAWL ARRRRRRGH CATWOMAN SNEAK SAVE

Eh. I don't know. When he was pisspounding Bane, I thought it was a pretty good boss beatdown. The only reason Catwoman had to come back was because after he had annihilated Bane is because Talia stuffed a shiv in his ribs. He had beaten Bane.

EDIT: and isn't what Batman did to Azrael exactly the same as Bane? He went for the mask and jerked the hoses off weakening him.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Yeah, it kind of sucks. That's not Batman.

There's a lot of hamfisted screenwriting in this movie. It's awesome, but could have been better.

Well, Batman's not a real person in this universe. Bruce Wayne is.

And Bruce Wayne's inability to harness his fury was what drove him into the arms of Ra's Al Ghul in the first place.