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milkman · 07-27-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

imo the diff is in the poor quality players Smith was playing along with during the Nolan/Singletary seasons compared with the better players he fielded

How much roster turnover was there between the end of 2010 and the start of 2011.

**Mav** · 07-27-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

How much roster turnover was there between the end of 2010 and the start of 2011.

QB (3): Alex Smith, David Carr, Nate Davis
RB (3): Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Anthony Dixon
FB (1): Moran Norris
WR (5): Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Ted Ginn Jr, Dominique Zeigler, Kyle Williams
TE (3): Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Nate Byham
LT (2): Joe Staley, Barry Sims
LG (2): Mike Iupati, Adam Snyder
C (2): David Baas, Eric Heitmann
RG (2): Chilo Rachal, Tony Wragge
RT (2): Anthony Davis, Alex Boone

Defense
DE (4): Justin Smith, Isaac Sopoaga, Demetric Evans, Ray McDonald
DT (2): Aubrayo Franklin, Ricky Jean Francois
OLB (5): Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson, Ahmad Brooks, Travis LaBoy, Diyral Briggs
ILB (3): Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, NaVorro Bowman
CB (6): Nate Clements, Shawntae Spencer, Tarell Brown, Will James, Phillip Adams, Tramaine Brock
FS (2): Dashon Goldson, Reggie Smith
SS (3): Michael Lewis, Taylor Mays, Curtis Taylor

Special Teams
K: Joe Nedney
P: Andy Lee
LS: Brian Jennings

2011

3)
Smith, Kaepernick, tolzien

RB (3)
Gore, Dixon, Hunter

FB (1/2)
Miller,

TE (3)
Davis, Walker, Justin peele

WR (5/6)
Crabtree, Edwards, Morgan, Ginn Jr, /Williams, joe hastings. brett swain

C (1)
Goodwin, Snyder, Wragge, Beeler (PS?)

G (4)
Iupati, Rachal, Snyder, Wragge, Kilgore, Person (PS?)

T (4/5)
Staley, Davis, Boone, Snyder/Wragge

DEFENSE
DE ( 4/5)
Smith, McDonald, RJF, Tukuafu
NT (1/2)
Sopoaga, RJF/Ian Williams

ILB (4)
Willis, Bowman, McKillop, Kristick//Grant/Costanzo

OLB (5/6)
Haralson/Aldon, Brooks/Gibson, Applewhite
CB (5/6)
Spencer, Rogers, Brown, Culliver, Brock
FS/SS (4/5)
Reggie Smith, Whitner, , Williams, , Spillman, Colin Jones/Maragos
SPECIAL TEAMS
P Lee
K David Akers
LS Jennings

From this view. that is 25/ 53 players were changed between 2010- 2011. that's a crap load of turnover. Wow.

ViperVisor · 07-27-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

How much roster turnover was there between the end of 2010 and the start of 2011.

Not a lot.

But the players were young and developing, as was Smith.

This details the 2010 O-Line failures that were a staple of the 49ers 2005-2011.
aolnews.com/2011/01/01/oline-em-up-falcons-sam-baker-struggles/

LT Joe Staley
Was converted to Tackle in coll. Was a TE. Injured or inconsistent up into 2011. Called himself and the OL out. Played much better since then. Still not a wall of pass protection but good enough and excels at getting those 2nd level blocks.

LG Mike Iupati
Good from the start. But teams figured this out and would stunt around him a lot. He would often hesitate and not adjust to help where there was now a mismatch.

C David Baas
OK. Was replaced by the OK Mike Goodwin.

RG Chilo Rachal
A pure mauler. Drafted high because of his physical prowess. Perfect Singeltary guy.
He SUCKS at pass blocking. Was benched in favor of the failed Tackle who was able to be an upgrade by being just mediocre. Adam Snyder. 49ers resigned him this year cause he has experience and probably a good guy cause they'd prefer he stay a backup.

RT
Anthony Davis
One of the youngest players in the draft. Was thrown into the fire to learn. His tutoring was not pretty. A lot of sacks allowed and penalties.

Sandy Vagina · 07-27-2013, 11:22 AM

Good and pretty accurate stuff, ViperVisor.

added notes:

- SF had without a doubt the worst duo of C/RG in the league for 2011.
- Iuapti and Staley would have occasional and shocking pass protection whiffs.
- Anthony Davis' pass pro was dreadful in his early years, and he brought about many remembrances of the dreaded Kwame Harris. ( those who don't know Kwame Harris? well, he was easily the worst pass protector I have ever witnessed ) There was an awesome"low-lights" youtube vid that might still be around to find. Everyone hated Kwame and had pity for anyone behind center that he was asked to protect.

Now try building a nice pass offense from scratch behind these guys. You'd pretty much NEED a freak athlete like Kaepernick to manage that while shining. And even better for Kaep, the OL had time to improve until he was ready... and inserted Alex Boone at RG, who has been outstanding in his development.

Hammock Parties · 07-27-2013, 12:40 PM

And yet Alex was sacked just as much in 2012.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-27-2013, 12:57 PM

Two years, if even that tops.

See ya', mother****er.

ViperVisor · 07-27-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

And yet Alex was sacked just as much in 2012.

True.
But of the 24, 6 of the sacks he took were when the team was up 2 or 3 scores. 3 @ GB and 3 @ AZ.

Those games were won and he ate the sacks so the clock kept running. If the pass options aren't open why bother an attempt that may be incomplete, dropped, or even an INT in that situation?

Another 30 seconds off the clock when you are winning gets you a step closer to winning.

Kaepernick sack rate was fairly high as well at 6.8% and 0 sacks when the team was up 2 or 3 scores. Cause the team rarely was.
And he was much more often in the shotgun read option stuff.

The O-Line still isn't great at pass protection, just good. They are huge guys and are best at run blocking.

And the passing offense Harbaugh and Co installed was never set up to stroke a QBs ego.
Part of that is the QB but also the lack of super studs on the pass catching side of the equation.

houstonwhodat · 07-27-2013, 04:00 PM

This will not turn out well for you.

Hammock Parties · 07-27-2013, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonwhodat

This will not turn out well for you.

For me, or our stupid team?

Hammock Parties · 07-27-2013, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor

The O-Line still isn't great at pass protection, just good. They are huge guys and are best at run blocking.

Wrong.

49ers had the 7th ranked pass blocking line last season.

Yet Alex Smith was the most sacked QB in the league (on a per attempt basis) by a country mile. Literally sacked on one third of the snaps where he was pressured.

There is no getting around this.

As he has "improved" as a QB he has taken more and more sacks because he's being coached to be sacked instead of taking a chance with the ball.

"designed sacks" was even a phrase one of your own used here this offseason in defending this awful habit he has.

He's a joke.

TheUte · 07-27-2013, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

Wrong.

49ers had the 7th ranked pass blocking line last season.

Yet Alex Smith was the most sacked QB in the league (on a per attempt basis) by a country mile. Literally sacked on one third of the snaps where he was pressured.

There is no getting around this.

As he has "improved" as a QB he has taken more and more sacks because he's being coached to be sacked instead of taking a chance with the ball.

"designed sacks" was even a phrase one of your own used here this offseason in defending this awful habit he has.

He's a joke.

Like usual, just make shit up.

Like usual you are incorrect.

Andy Dalton 528 46 8.71% 33
Jay Cutler 434 38 8.76% 28.9
Chad Henne 308 28 9.09% 30.8
Aaron Rodgers 552 51 9.24% 34.5
Philip Rivers 527 49 9.30% 32.9
Brady Quinn 197 21 10.66% 19.7
Alex Smith 218 24 11.01% 21.8
Kevin Kolb 183 27 14.75% 30.5

Hammock Parties · 07-27-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUte

Like usual, just make shit up.

Like usual you are incorrect.

Andy Dalton 528 46 8.71% 33
Jay Cutler 434 38 8.76% 28.9
Chad Henne 308 28 9.09% 30.8
Aaron Rodgers 552 51 9.24% 34.5
Philip Rivers 527 49 9.30% 32.9
Brady Quinn 197 21 10.66% 19.7
Alex Smith 218 24 11.01% 21.8
Kevin Kolb 183 27 14.75% 30.5

You have been educated, sir.

Alex Smith loves to get sacked!

TheUte · 07-27-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

You have been educated, sir.

Alex Smith loves to get sacked!

Read the whole thing, you filter the stats.

Nice try loser.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-27-2013, 04:40 PM

Does an Angel gets it's wings when Axl takes a sack?

Hammock Parties · 07-27-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUte

Read the whole thing, you filter the stats.

Nice try loser.

I filtered by sack percentage, moron.

Alex Smith led the league in sack percentage by a country mile, as you can see on that chart.

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