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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 11-03-2015, 10:35 PM   #76
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Lot of similar players to Gordon in that corner outfielder market. That will drive price down.
Down by 40%?
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Infante's contract screws so many potential things this offseason. The question is: Is David Glass willing to go negative to try to compete for a title again next year and bridge the gap to the new TV contract?
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Down by 40%?
Heyward and Upton will get major bucks. Cespedes the next and Gordon behind that.
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Old 11-03-2015, 10:52 PM   #79
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Hamas brought it up in another thread and i'd never really correlated the two, but do you think Gordon takes a deal that much less than what Werth took?

It's too early to tell, really. I think he would take 80-85 percent of his best deal to stay in KC.

I've seen anything from 4/60 to 5/100 floated for him. If the market stays in that range, I think KC will make him an offer strong enough to keep him in KC.

Not sure the Werth deal will be on the table for him, though it wouldn't surprise me if it was (teams being smarter about recognizing Gordon's value even though he never has hit 30 HR in a season, like Werth had a few times when he signed the Nats deal).
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Old 11-03-2015, 11:23 PM   #80
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He's also a massive outlier post-PEDs.
Totally agree. I realize that's an extreme example. I don't know if Gordon would reach those offensive WAR numbers either.

But, Gordon keeps himself in amazing shape. He came back from a severe groin pull quickly. He has the best work ethic on the team too. He's relentless. And as Duncan said he's a smart player too.

I'm curious to see what they do with him. It's not the smartest long term move, but I think him leaving would be a bigger PR hit than many of the other guys. As long as they put a winning team out there that won't matter though.
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Old 11-04-2015, 12:07 AM   #81
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When can they renegotiate their (horrible) TV deal?
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Old 11-04-2015, 09:08 AM   #82
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Here's another question that's important:

How high does the payroll go? Glass allowed Moore to push it higher last year and this year than we anticipated.

I'd still be a little shocked to see it pushed into the $150 range, but considering the extra million in attendance (which can be really conservatively estimated at an extra $75 million in revenue, maybe as high as $100 million, plus all the merchandise revenue), it would make some sense.

Glass seemed pretty happy hoisting that trophy. If he can afford it, I think the payroll goes pretty high.

You've got two more seasons to limp through the current TV deal before you have an idea what's going to be in place for 2019 and beyond (and I'm just guessing they rework 2018 when they re-negotiate the deal), and then that's a significant bump, too.

If salary is kept at the status quo, I think KC is left signing one of Zobrist/Gordon, and then plumbing the secondary market for fill-in pieces in the rotation (not sure they could afford a Mike Leake-type at that point).

If Salary is increased into the $130 million range, I think you can find room to re-sign one of Gordon/Zobrist AND add a Mike Leake type. Or re-sign both Gordon and Zobrist.

Get into the $150 million range, and all of a sudden, you have the payroll room to add Gordon/Zobrist/+ a really good starting pitcher.

They have about $80 million currently committed in 2016 salaries, without including the arb guys (who should add about another $25 million).

Going to be fun to watch, I think.
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I believe DM said recently the goal in a small market is to bring up the following each year:

1. Position player
2. Starter
3. Reliever


He has done that most years. last year he didn't unless you include Orlando. He will have to do it this year tho. Guys like Eibner, Zimmer, Almonte almost have to come up because Madson + Young are surely gone and we are really maxing out payroll.


What happens to Vargas' contract? I read it's all covered by insurance if he doesn't pitch. That's a big game-changer (8m) in terms of payroll.


The team did go 26-16 or something like a 97-win pace without Gordon. Something to thjnk about if he really wants 90-100M.
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I would laugh so hard if he wanted to come to the Royals after him saying he wanted to go to a "winner".
I'd take him with open arms provided Glass will cough up the coin needed. Won't happen, but goddamn it'd be nice.
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The Royals have declined their mutual options with Guthrie and Rios. Both are now free agents.

Rios will be paid a $1.5MM buyout, and Guthrie will get $3.2MM. This money must be paid by the Royals regardless of who they sign with.
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The Royals have declined their mutual options with Guthrie and Rios. Both are now free agents.

Rios will be paid a $1.5MM buyout, and Guthrie will get $3.2MM. This money must be paid by the Royals regardless of who they sign with.
Good. Dyson should take his spot in the rotation. We have Gore for all of our speed needs
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When can they renegotiate their (horrible) TV deal?
After 2019, unless FOX decides to let us renegotiate earlier.

They may decide to talk about an extension to keep the Royals from testing the open market, but that won't be until after next season at the earliest, and maybe not until after 2017. Right now we're still 4 years out, we'll need to use our playoff and record-breaking attendance money to bridge the gap.
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