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Old 01-29-2013, 01:44 PM   #1
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Those gifs perfectly illustrate my point.

The first two are throws where he does get good leg drive. The third one he doesn't and the ball does have a little more sail to it. The 4th is a good one, the 5th isn't but it's such a short pass that he can keep it downhill the whole way.

I could go on, but ultimately your pictures make my point - Geno absolutely has a strong arm, but he's inconsistent with his leg drive and it often serves to sap him of that authority in his throws.

If he can get that ironed out, he's going to have a top 10 arm (folks, a top 10 arm is a goddamn cannon). But as the pressure gets worse and the games get faster, bad habits are going to become more exacerbated and probably more frequent. If he rolls his hips often at this level, he's going to have passes knocked away or WRs that have space close up on them to either get hit or lose the chance for YAC yards.
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:07 PM   #2
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:12 PM   #3
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I've seen Geno throw a 40 yard laser without being able to step into the throw due to the pressure.

I don't think there are more than 10 current NFL quarterbacks that can do that.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:52 PM   #4
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I've seen Geno throw a 40 yard laser without being able to step into the throw due to the pressure.

I don't think there are more than 10 current NFL quarterbacks that can do that.
I'd like to see a gif of that. The one thing I don't see Geno do when I watch him is drop back and throw the ball on a line 20+ yards past the LOS.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:55 PM   #5
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I'd like to see a gif of that. The one thing I don't see Geno do when I watch him is drop back and throw the ball on a line 20+ yards past the LOS.
You need to watch more because he has absolutely done that.

The problem is that more often than not, he doesn't get his feet right, so it comes out different.

When he gets his feet right, he can throw it on a rope.
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:03 PM   #6
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You need to watch more because he has absolutely done that.

The problem is that more often than not, he doesn't get his feet right, so it comes out different.

When he gets his feet right, he can throw it on a rope.
I've watched games looking for just that and not really seen it but I haven't watched every game though. I like Geno and I'm not saying he can't make those throws I just don't see them. Really I just want a firm grasp of what Geno Smith really is.
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:27 PM   #7
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I've watched games looking for just that and not really seen it but I haven't watched every game though. I like Geno and I'm not saying he can't make those throws I just don't see them. Really I just want a firm grasp of what Geno Smith really is.
What he really is?

Hard to say 100% for certain.

He's absolutely a top-flight prospect with very high ceiling. He's got almost everything you look for in a franchise QB.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:14 PM   #8
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So there's a guy who's able to drop any throw from the line of scrimmage to 50 yards out into a tight window, and the criticism is "the zip on his passes is not impressive".

Mmmkay.

Talk about paralysis of analysis.
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So there's a guy who's able to drop any throw from the line of scrimmage to 50 yards out into a tight window, and the criticism is "the zip on his passes is not impressive".

Mmmkay.

Talk about paralysis of analysis.
Yea it's getting ridiculous. Some people just don't like Geno and will say anything to convince others to dislike him as well.

Geno has some flaws but zip on his passes isn't one of them.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:48 PM   #10
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Yea it's getting ridiculous. Some people just don't like Geno and will say anything to convince others to dislike him as well.

Geno has some flaws but zip on his passes isn't one of them.
Some people don't read very much.

Again, SNR and I were the first people on the Geno bandwagon. I guarantee you that I've been watching this kid for longer than you have.

When he doesn't set his feet and drive his legs, his ball gets a hump on intermediate passes. Those will not work at this level and those are passes he's going to need to be able to complete with regularity in Reid's system.

You've picked the wrong guy to try to say "doesn't like Geno". I love the kid, in fact I think his weakness here is actually a good thing in that it's easily coached and will make him even better than his tape shows.

But I'm not going to just make shit up to support my guy and say he has a top 10 NFL arm even when he doesn't use his legs appropriately. The same as I wasn't going to say that Alex Smith is a pile of moldy dog shit just to prop up support for Geno.

Watch these guys for what they are and examine them accordingly. You might learn something.
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Some people don't read very much.

Again, SNR and I were the first people on the Geno bandwagon. I guarantee you that I've been watching this kid for longer than you have.

When he doesn't set his feet and drive his legs, his ball gets a hump on intermediate passes. Those will not work at this level and those are passes he's going to need to be able to complete with regularity in Reid's system.

You've picked the wrong guy to try to say "doesn't like Geno". I love the kid, in fact I think his weakness here is actually a good thing in that it's easily coached and will make him even better than his tape shows.

But I'm not going to just make shit up to support my guy and say he has a top 10 NFL arm even when he doesn't use his legs appropriately. The same as I wasn't going to say that Alex Smith is a pile of moldy dog shit just to prop up support for Geno.

Watch these guys for what they are and examine them accordingly. You might learn something.
Nice write up DJ, but i was responding to CoMo's post about no zip on Geno's passes which i think is bullshit.
Sure, i agree when he doesn't set his feet the ball flutters a bit, but when he does, the zip is there.
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Some people don't read very much.

Again, SNR and I were the first people on the Geno bandwagon. I guarantee you that I've been watching this kid for longer than you have.

When he doesn't set his feet and drive his legs, his ball gets a hump on intermediate passes. Those will not work at this level and those are passes he's going to need to be able to complete with regularity in Reid's system.

You've picked the wrong guy to try to say "doesn't like Geno". I love the kid, in fact I think his weakness here is actually a good thing in that it's easily coached and will make him even better than his tape shows.

But I'm not going to just make shit up to support my guy and say he has a top 10 NFL arm even when he doesn't use his legs appropriately. The same as I wasn't going to say that Alex Smith is a pile of moldy dog shit just to prop up support for Geno.

Watch these guys for what they are and examine them accordingly. You might learn something.
The one thing that surprised me a bit when looking at the excellent throws chart that has been floating around was the merely average accuracy totals posted on the intermediate throws.

But that tracks really well with his inconsistent mechanics and footwork.

I wonder how much of the inconsistent footwork comes from the porous OL he has played behind, and his attempts to get the ball out as quick as possible.

If he can keep those instincts while cleaning up his footwork, it could end up being a tremendous asset in the pros. Compare that to, say, Sam Bradford, who played in probably THE cleanest pocket of any of the guys drafted high, who has not been great throwing the ball when hurried/pressured, and you've got a winning combo, IMO.
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Yeah, I'm not really that impressed with Brady's velocity. Ball doesn't have that much zip.

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No question it would be. (Not to nitpick, but it was the 4th pick)
No every qb drafted needs to be as good as luck and rg3
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No every qb drafted needs to be as good as luck and rg3
Even Bledsoe, Carson Palmer, Steve McNair and Kerry Collins turned their franchises around. and none of those guys are or were all world talents.

If you have the chance to select one of the top QBs in a draft, you dont pass period.
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