2013 Chiefs QBOTF Watch

[chiefzilla1501]

Update
Anyone I'm forgetting?

Underclassman watch
The way Murray is playing, I think he can and will declare. I would imagine he'd declare if he knew he could be a #1 pick. And I think he could absolutely be a #1 pick over Barkley or Smith.

I know some people are high on Logan Thomas as a potential non top 10 pick. I'm not. I don't like QB converts. Doubt he declares and even when he does, not a real big fan of him.

Already in conversation
Geno Smith's stock is rising - could be a consensus #1 pick, which might go to the Browns. Barkley's stock is falling and this will be very interesting to monitor. He won't drop as Clausen did, but I could easily see him drop significantly. Landry Jones' stock is plummeting too. Tyler Wilson's stock is dropping some. I think the season could be shaping up where the Chiefs can take a stock dropper like Barkley or Wilson either without moving or making a pretty unaggressive trade up.

Sleepers
EJ Manuel is having a terrific season. Very talented QB, but can he run an NFL offense? Doubtful, but it's not a bad gamble depending on where his value ends up.

Tajh Boyd. This might be a guy to keep an eye on. Again, anything but a top shelf prospect, but a guy with some potential upside.

Ryan Nassib - not a franchise guy, but why not look at him to compete with Stanzi for QB depth


Out of contention
Tyler Bray seems to be playing his way out of serious draft pick contention. I don't think he has the mental toughness you'd want in a QB late in the game. He's obviously got a lot of work to do. I can't imagine he declares this year and, if he does, he's probably going to drop.

[bevischief]

So which one we suck for this year?

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by bevischief

So which one we suck for this year?

I think Barkley and Wilson (and maybe Bray) are the true studs. the rest are rolling the dice.

[tredadda]

I realized after last year that I am not going to keep an eye on any of our potential QBOTF this year until after the season because:

1. No one knows where we will be drafting

2. No one knows who will and will not declare

3. No one knows how many people in front of us will need a QBOTF

4. The last time we drafted a QB in round 1 was 1983, so I don't have faith that we suddenly will draft one.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by bevischief

So which one we suck for this year?

The reason I'm opening up this conversation is that I don't think we have to "suck" on purpose to get a good QB. Last year, it was all in for RGIII and Andrew Luck. I'm sorry, but Tannehill is NOT a guy I want to drain a top 10 pick on. I think you'll find by year end a lot of QBs who are equal or better to Tannehill. Even if the Chiefs end up in the top 25, I think they could potentially stay put and get a decent QB prospect or trade up fairly unaggressively to get a good QB prospect.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by ILChief

I think Barkley and Wilson (and maybe Bray) are the true studs. the rest are rolling the dice.

We may actually have a shot at Wilson next year, with him wrecking his shoulder last night.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by ILChief

I think Barkley and Wilson (and maybe Bray) are the true studs. the rest are rolling the dice.

What's the obsession with Wilson? Every time an Arkansas QB has a shot at the NFL, this forum goes apeshit over them. I don't ****ing get it.

[milkman]

I've liked Aaron Murray since his fresheman year, and think the kid has something that a good coaching staff could get out of him.

I am not a fan of the Bulldog's staff.

I am coming around on Geno Smith.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by tredadda

I realized after last year that I am not going to keep an eye on any of our potential QBOTF this year until after the season because:

1. No one knows where we will be drafting

2. No one knows who will and will not declare

3. No one knows how many people in front of us will need a QBOTF

4. The last time we drafted a QB in round 1 was 1983, so I don't have faith that we suddenly will draft one.

1. I don't think that's relevant because we're looking at a range of options, with the most realistic being that we'll probably not draft in the top 10 and likely draft in the top 25

2. There are a lot of good QBs who have to declare. Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, and the door is open for any other QB to slide up. I wouldn't be surprised to see Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas, or Tajh Boyd declare as well. I think it's safe to say there will be at least 5 true first round calibre QBs in the draft, whereas I thought last year there were only 3 (and Tannehill, I still believe, would have been low first in any other draft class).

3. There is more than enough that leads us to believe there will be a dramatically reduced need for a QB in the NFL next year.

4. Yes, I agree. I don't think we'll draft a QB, but we can at least become informed about how idiotic it would be NOT to draft a QB. No matter how well Cassel does this season.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

1. I don't think that's relevant because we're looking at a range of options, with the most realistic being that we'll probably not draft in the top 10 and likely draft in the top 25

2. There are a lot of good QBs who have to declare. Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, and the door is open for any other QB to slide up. I wouldn't be surprised to see Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas, or Tajh Boyd declare as well. I think it's safe to say there will be at least 5 true first round calibre QBs in the draft, whereas I thought last year there were only 3 (and Tannehill, I still believe, would have been low first in any other draft class).

3. There is more than enough that leads us to believe there will be a dramatically reduced need for a QB in the NFL next year.

4. Yes, I agree. I don't think we'll draft a QB, but we can at least become informed about how idiotic it would be NOT to draft a QB. No matter how well Cassel does this season.

I actually almost believe this is it. This is the year we draft a freakin QB.

What other position would we honestly draft? I can't think of a single one outside of ILB. And even then, talk about a goddamn reach on position value.

With 5 guys available and the starters in solid position, I don't see any way Pioli doesn't finally understand how dire this situation is in KC.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by SNR

I actually almost believe this is it. This is the year we draft a freakin QB.

What other position would we honestly draft? I can't think of a single one outside of ILB. And even then, talk about a goddamn reach on position value.

With 5 guys available and the starters in solid position, I don't see any way Pioli doesn't finally understand how dire this situation is in KC.

I tend to agree.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by milkman

I tend to agree.

Sadly, however, I believe it will be Landry Jones.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

What's the obsession with Wilson? Every time an Arkansas QB has a shot at the NFL, this forum goes apeshit over them. I don't ****ing get it.

I think the forum goes apeshit about any QB that plays in a style that could translate well in the NFL. Too often you see insanely athletic QBs who can't pass well or don't have the football IQ. Too often you see pure pocket passers who operate in a vanilla spread or don't have the kind of arm strength.

I didn't like Mallett because I thought he was tremendous pocket passer, but don't think he'll ever be the right kind of leader. I think Wilson, on the other hand, gets you the qualities of a good pocket passer without the baggage.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

I actually almost believe this is it. This is the year we draft a freakin QB.

What other position would we honestly draft? I can't think of a single one outside of ILB. And even then, talk about a goddamn reach on position value.

With 5 guys available and the starters in solid position, I don't see any way Pioli doesn't finally understand how dire this situation is in KC.

I'd like to believe you. I also believe that Pioli has a few achilles heels. 1) He is stubborn about proving he's right; 2) he is overly loyal to people he likes.

I think the defense and running game will make Cassel look better than he is, which is just enough for Pioli to use propaganda to tell the fans he's the answer.

I think Pioli's history suggests that he'll be overly loyal to Cassel and stubbornly prove that the "Patriot Way" applies to QBs, which is that you continually draft non-first rounders every year. In other words, I'm preparing myself for the disappointment that Pioli will stick with Cassel next year and draft a QB in the 3rd round.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by SNR

I actually almost believe this is it. This is the year we draft a freakin QB.

What other position would we honestly draft? I can't think of a single one outside of ILB. And even then, talk about a goddamn reach on position value.

With 5 guys available and the starters in solid position, I don't see any way Pioli doesn't finally understand how dire this situation is in KC.

They are going to draft Manti Te'o in the first as he'll be considered a perfect player for the mike backer in a 34 defense, which, in all honesty, he is. In fact, there isn't really another 34 mike backer of that level in the entire draft in 2013. He will be the "safe" pick in the first round.

And I think everyone around here should be happy with that selection for the Chiefs as no one seems to like Belcher on this board. (Which is tragic as Jovan has markedly improved the past two seasons and, IMO, is one of the better/unheralded 3/4 mike backers in the NFL. Guy absolutely blows up guards and hits like a freight train.)

So, I would assume that if someone like, say, Geno Smith is sitting there and they pick a mike backer, this board should be ecstatic.