Car Questions: Head Gasket

The Rick · 09-16-2006, 08:55 PM

I have a '97 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24. It's probably worth about $2000. Lately, I've been having problems with it running pretty hot and with it leaking coolant. Took it to a place and they said the head gasket was the problem and needed to be replaced. Cost? Easily $1000.

My first question is what would you say is the "magic formula" for whether or not to fix a car given the cost of the repair, how much the car is worth, etc.

Basically, before all of this I was planning on replacing the car in the next 6-12 months. The wife and I have been working our tails off trying to pay off all debt (Dave Ramsey method). That will be done in the next 6 months or so. Then, the plan was to save up some quick cash to buy a new(er) car for each of us. We make really good money now (6 figures between the two of us) so the plan was to save up about $12,000 over the course of 3 months and use it to pay cash for a car for one of us. Then, do the same thing for a second vehicle.

That was the plan anyway. Now, this has come up. If I don't fix it right away, is it safe to drive and how long can it be driven like it is as long as I continue to fill it with water (antifreeze when it gets colder)?

I did buy some liquid stuff that supposedly can maybe fix the leak that I'm going to try. However, I have to figure out how to drain the coolant and flush the system. Then, I need to let it sit for up to 24 hours according to the instructions on the liquid. I don't know when I'm going to find a time where I can do without the car for two days given our busy work schedules.

So, to summarize, my questions are:

1. Is it worth fixing knowing my financial situation and plans? I mean, it's not that I can't afford the $1000...it's more the principle.

2. How safe/good is it to drive under it's current condition as long as it has coolant in it? Even with it full of coolant, it still runs hot (never touches the red, but it's up there).

Thanks for the advice in advance. This is what I love about the Planet...

munkey · 09-16-2006, 09:02 PM

Unless you really love the car sell it for a grand and walk away from it.

AND I wouldn't drive it...let the person that buys it do that. Not only will they know its a problem BUT if it breaks down on the way home you don't have to tow it to a mechanic.

JBucc · 09-16-2006, 09:03 PM

That happened to a van someone I know used to drive. I don't know how to fix it though, they just sold it and bought a new one.

rad · 09-16-2006, 09:04 PM

1. Yes. Find a better price or you and a friend do it yourself. When you buy your new car(s), keep this one as a backup. Having something to drive in case of emergency is worth alot more than what you will get in trade.

2. Not safe/ good at all. you will more than likely compound the problem by ignoring or "quick-fixing" it.

**Skip Towne** · 09-16-2006, 09:04 PM

How bad is it leaking? I use a combination of Bars Leak (with the rat turds) and the Gunk aluminized stop leak. Use the Bars Leak first and wait a few days then use the Gunk. I had a large leak in my heater core last year and this stopped it. You can keep driving it and adding water/ antifreeze forever. (Or at least until you forget to add it)

The Rick · 09-17-2006, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

How bad is it leaking? I use a combination of Bars Leak (with the rat turds) and the Gunk aluminized stop leak. Use the Bars Leak first and wait a few days then use the Gunk. I had a large leak in my heater core last year and this stopped it. You can keep driving it and adding water/ antifreeze forever. (Or at least until you forget to add it)

Bars Leak is what I got. Heard it was the best. I don't really know how to flush everything like it says on the bottle. Found the drain at the bottom of the radiator though. Is flushing the system very hard?

**2112** · 09-17-2006, 06:28 AM

the only vehicles I have experienced with a blown head gasket were diesel trucks..and even after they were repaired there were still ongoing problems..

I never had leaks though..

the engine would just run super hot and the reservoir overflow plastic container would have boiling water in it!!

boogblaster · 09-17-2006, 07:04 AM

dont use the bars-leak..go to the drug store get a product called plumbers-glass drain and flush your system..then follow instructions..i think just water and the p-glass let the motor run for said time then drain and let set 24 hrs. refill with coolant and drive the bitch..it will seal the head-gasket....

brorth · 09-17-2006, 07:12 AM

Boog is right. It's actually called waterglass. I think it's real name is sodium silicate. You won't find it at an auto parts store, because it's basicaly illegal to use ( if you're a car dealer). The stuff is super soluble in water, but you have to be careful with it. Once the water dries, it forms a seal as strong as any epoxy you've ever seen, viola! no more head gasket leak. It will work for quite a while, but you will be done with the car if and when the seal pops again.

BTW The reason you don't see a leak is because you motor is drinking it and spitting it out your tailpipe. Stand by your exhaust and see if you smell antifreeze.

4th and Long · 09-17-2006, 07:24 AM

Full Coverage Insurance
+ A Few Gallons Of Gasoline
+ A Match
________________________
Problem Solved.

**Bwana** · 09-17-2006, 07:39 AM

Hmmm? As far as driving it, if you have it full of coolant and drive it short distances and watch the heat gauge, you should be ok. If it gets to hot, you will likely warp the heads. As far as product, hands down, the best out there is a product called Blue Devil Engine & cooling sealant. They get $49-$59 for a quart, but it works in 95% of the vehicles if people follow directions, pull the thermostat and run it free flow. With my job, I am a lot like a pharmaceutical rep only in the auto parts business. I have pallets of crap showing up at times at my house full of various product and a case of this stuff was one of them. I gave two quarts to a mechanic buddy and he put one in a Honda and one in a Saab and it healed both of them. Hell, if you were around here, I would give you a quart. Give that stuff a try, follow the directions and it should take care of it for you. Good Luck. Greg

**Skip Towne** · 09-17-2006, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana

Hmmm? As far as driving it, if you have it full of coolant and drive it short distances and watch the heat gauge, you should be ok. If it gets to hot, you will likely warp the heads. As far as product, hands down, the best out there is a product called Blue Devil Engine & cooling sealant. They get $49-$59 for a quart, but it works in 95% of the vehicles if people follow directions, pull the thermostat and run it free flow. With my job, I am a lot like a pharmaceutical rep only in the auto parts business. I have pallets of crap showing up at times at my house full of various product and a case of this stuff was one of them. I gave two quarts to a mechanic buddy and he put one in a Honda and one in a Saab and it healed both of them. Hell, if you were around here, I would give you a quart. Give that stuff a try, follow the directions and it should take care of it for you. Good Luck. Greg

Whe did you change jobs? I thought you were doing market research.

**Bwana** · 09-17-2006, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Whe did you change jobs? I thought you were doing market research.

Heh! About a year and a half ago. That turned into a giant CF.

It seems the market research boys were using the "NEW MATH" when it came to the amount of travel I was in for. They said 50% at most, which is why I agreed to the position and it turned out it was closer to 95%. I told my regional supervisor in Seattle I would continue my employment with them if they stuck to their original agreement, but he wouldn't do it.

I called the corporate office down in Clearwater, FL the next day and told them they could hang their job where the sun doesn't shine and that they had 24 hours to come and get their company car off my property or it was getting the hook. The clowns even tried to bone me out of my last check to be pricks, but I still had one of their laptops and most importantly, several files of very sensitive information.

I called the Regional once again who was messing with me and told him they had 48 hours to FedEx down my check, or those files would pull a Houdini and disappear. I also explained that if they “got lost” and ended up in the wrong hands, it could cost them 200K in corrupted research. I had a check in my hand the next day.

**2112** · 09-17-2006, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana

Heh! About a year and a half ago. That turned into a giant CF.

It seems the market research boys were using the "NEW MATH" when it came to the amount of travel I was in for. They said 50% at most, which is why I agreed to the position and it turned out it was closer to 95%. I told my regional supervisor in Seattle I would continue my employment with them if they stuck to their original agreement, but he wouldn't do it.

I called the corporate office down in Clearwater, FL the next day and told them they could hang their job where the sun doesn't shine and that they had 24 hours to come and get their company car off my property or it was getting the hook. The clowns even tried to bone me out of my last check to be pricks, but I still had one of their laptops and most importantly, several files of very sensitive information.

I called the Regional once again who was messing with me and told him they had 48 hours to FedEx down my check, or those files would pull a Houdini and disappear. I also explained that if they “got lost” and ended up in the wrong hands, it could cost them 200K in corrupted research. I had a check in my hand the next day.

somehow..I never pictured you in a job like that

you are a smart cookie!!!
you played that nicely!!!

Brock · 09-17-2006, 08:39 AM

It isn't worth the trouble.

09-16-2006, 08:55 PM
The Rick Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Milwaukee, WI Casino cash: $7601320	Car Questions: Head Gasket I have a '97 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24. It's probably worth about $2000. Lately, I've been having problems with it running pretty hot and with it leaking coolant. Took it to a place and they said the head gasket was the problem and needed to be replaced. Cost? Easily $1000. My first question is what would you say is the "magic formula" for whether or not to fix a car given the cost of the repair, how much the car is worth, etc. Basically, before all of this I was planning on replacing the car in the next 6-12 months. The wife and I have been working our tails off trying to pay off all debt (Dave Ramsey method). That will be done in the next 6 months or so. Then, the plan was to save up some quick cash to buy a new(er) car for each of us. We make really good money now (6 figures between the two of us) so the plan was to save up about $12,000 over the course of 3 months and use it to pay cash for a car for one of us. Then, do the same thing for a second vehicle. That was the plan anyway. Now, this has come up. If I don't fix it right away, is it safe to drive and how long can it be driven like it is as long as I continue to fill it with water (antifreeze when it gets colder)? I did buy some liquid stuff that supposedly can maybe fix the leak that I'm going to try. However, I have to figure out how to drain the coolant and flush the system. Then, I need to let it sit for up to 24 hours according to the instructions on the liquid. I don't know when I'm going to find a time where I can do without the car for two days given our busy work schedules. So, to summarize, my questions are: 1. Is it worth fixing knowing my financial situation and plans? I mean, it's not that I can't afford the $1000...it's more the principle. 2. How safe/good is it to drive under it's current condition as long as it has coolant in it? Even with it full of coolant, it still runs hot (never touches the red, but it's up there). Thanks for the advice in advance. This is what I love about the Planet...
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09-16-2006, 09:02 PM	#2
munkey Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Bend Oregon Casino cash: $10007596	Unless you really love the car sell it for a grand and walk away from it. AND I wouldn't drive it...let the person that buys it do that. Not only will they know its a problem BUT if it breaks down on the way home you don't have to tow it to a mechanic. __________________ "In the time of chimpanzees I was a munkey"
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09-16-2006, 09:03 PM	#3
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09-16-2006, 09:04 PM	#5
Skip Towne Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: T-Town Casino cash: $10004900	How bad is it leaking? I use a combination of Bars Leak (with the rat turds) and the Gunk aluminized stop leak. Use the Bars Leak first and wait a few days then use the Gunk. I had a large leak in my heater core last year and this stopped it. You can keep driving it and adding water/ antifreeze forever. (Or at least until you forget to add it)
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09-17-2006, 06:28 AM	#7
2112 Reset Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8556765	the only vehicles I have experienced with a blown head gasket were diesel trucks..and even after they were repaired there were still ongoing problems.. I never had leaks though.. the engine would just run super hot and the reservoir overflow plastic container would have boiling water in it!!
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09-17-2006, 07:04 AM	#8
boogblaster MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Verdigris Valley Campsite Casino cash: $10004900	dont use the bars-leak..go to the drug store get a product called plumbers-glass drain and flush your system..then follow instructions..i think just water and the p-glass let the motor run for said time then drain and let set 24 hrs. refill with coolant and drive the bitch..it will seal the head-gasket....
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09-17-2006, 07:12 AM	#9
brorth Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: lobation Casino cash: $1722480	Boog is right. It's actually called waterglass. I think it's real name is sodium silicate. You won't find it at an auto parts store, because it's basicaly illegal to use ( if you're a car dealer). The stuff is super soluble in water, but you have to be careful with it. Once the water dries, it forms a seal as strong as any epoxy you've ever seen, viola! no more head gasket leak. It will work for quite a while, but you will be done with the car if and when the seal pops again. BTW The reason you don't see a leak is because you motor is drinking it and spitting it out your tailpipe. Stand by your exhaust and see if you smell antifreeze. Last edited by brorth; 09-17-2006 at 07:18 AM..
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09-17-2006, 07:24 AM	#10
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09-17-2006, 07:39 AM	#11
Bwana It's Five O'Clock Somewhere Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Billings, Montana Casino cash: $2139563647	Hmmm? As far as driving it, if you have it full of coolant and drive it short distances and watch the heat gauge, you should be ok. If it gets to hot, you will likely warp the heads. As far as product, hands down, the best out there is a product called Blue Devil Engine & cooling sealant. They get $49-$59 for a quart, but it works in 95% of the vehicles if people follow directions, pull the thermostat and run it free flow. With my job, I am a lot like a pharmaceutical rep only in the auto parts business. I have pallets of crap showing up at times at my house full of various product and a case of this stuff was one of them. I gave two quarts to a mechanic buddy and he put one in a Honda and one in a Saab and it healed both of them. Hell, if you were around here, I would give you a quart. Give that stuff a try, follow the directions and it should take care of it for you. Good Luck. Greg __________________ Adventure is dangerous....but monotony can kill you.
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09-17-2006, 08:39 AM	#15
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