Let's talk about signing Ndamukong Suh

[BossChief]

There is almost nothing to talk about regarding Chiefs football right now, so let's talk about a madden level hypothetical that could improve this team.

This teams ONLY chance at a title with Alex Smith is to build a historic defense. This much is certain. No arguments? Cool, let us continue.

Sign Ndamukong Suh.

"What, this idea is beyond silly. Get a grip. Have you seen our cap situation and the fact that we need to give new deals to Hudson and Houston this offseason and then have money for Poe next year..."

But let's talk about how to do it...

1) Bowe gets cut as a post June 1st designation, saving us 9.5 million against the cap. I hate to see the guy go on to have a couple really strong years elsewhere, but he simply isn't cost effective here. I know that's due to Alex Smith, but he's not going anywhere the next 2 years...so it's time to build around his strengths.

2) Cut the dead weight. Avery, Fasano, Devito, Mays and Jenkins. This group of suck totally a cap savings of about 14 million.

3) Cut Hali and bring him back on a cheap deal he has publicly stated he wants. Something around 3-4 million per on a 2-3 year deal. This move saves us between 6-7 million per year.

4) place Eric Berry on the NFI list. If I'm reading this correctly, that saves the team about 8 million in cap space


5) Trade Chase Daniel for a 3-5th round pick. Lots of teams need a quarterback and Chase has had great coaching and has shown the ability to beat good teams when given the opportunity to play...even on a full team of backups. This move saves the team 3.8 million in cap space.

That gives the team over 40 million to spend.

Give Houston a deal that makes him the top paid OLB in football. Currently that's Clay Mattews at 5 years 66 million. Go ahead and bump that up to 5/70 for Justin or make it a 6 year deal for a little under 90 ...with about 10% of that coming from incentives. This eats up around 10-15 million in cap space for 2015. depending on how it's structured.

Give Hudson a deal that's top ten for his position...slightly less than 5/yr. something like 6 years 28 million with 10 guaranteed. Structured so it doesn't hit the cap hard the first 2 years. I think we can make it happen where he doesn't hit the cap for more than 4 million each of the first 2 years.

Give Suh a deal similar to what we give Houston. Something like 6/90. Half guaranteed equally dispersed. Around 12-15 goes to year 1 cap.

Bring back Ron Parker on a cheap deal to keep the elite speed in the deep secondary...I know a lot of you don't like him, but his speed back there was a big reason our pass defense was so successful.

Suh (Catapano as reserve)
Poe (Fangupu or Walker as backup)
Bailey (Jaye Howard as the backup)

Houston (Martin or draft pick as backup)
Draft pick
DJ (Mauga as backup)
Hali/Ford

Smith
Gaines
Flemming
Abdullah
Parker

That would have a chance at being the leagues top defense and one that could really help Alex Smith win games by adding talent through the draft to help bolster the playmaking ability of the offense with our 11 draft picks we will have for the upcoming draft being used on offense and as guys to add explosiveness to the defense.

In this situation, we add a monster defensive player that has DMVP potential to an already extremely disruptive unit and we literally lose nothing.

None of the guys we lose impacted 2014 and adding Suh moves this defense into the scary category for opposing offenses.

How would teams block those guys?

Houston REQUIRES a double team
Suh REQUIRES a double team
Poe REQUIRES a double team

Bailey?
DJ?
The ILB we will draft?
Ford?
Hali?

I mean, really...I know it's a pipe dream...but that defense would annihilate teams blocking schemes and quarterbacks.

I think we could win a title with a defense like that and this offense coming together...even with Alex Smiths limitations.

[Jewish Rabbi]

We're not going to.

[Discuss Thrower]

If you're going to go that far, you might as well cut Colquitt as well.

[The Franchise]

Made it to #5 before

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant

Made it to #5 before

And yeah. Nobody is trading for Chase Daniel unless KC gives up a 6th rounder or something.

[mcaj22]

is there a current NFL team that has two players on their roster that have 100 million contracts?

thats what youre asking here, 100 for Suh and 100 for Houston

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

If you're going to go that far, you might as well cut Colquitt as well.

While I've included him the list of cuts in the past....I've rethought my stance on his contract. The guy is absolutely sick at pinning teams back and that is invaluable with a defense like this and the fact that we have a QB like Alex Smith running the offense.

We punt a lot and Dustin is a weapon in those situations.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

is there a current NFL team that has two players on their roster that have 100 million contracts?

thats what youre asking here, 100 for Suh and 100 for Houston

Close to that.

And honestly I don't care what teams have done in the past.

This is a passing league today more than ever before and the one way to stop passing games is to kill quarterbacks.

It would be worth the investment with the way this team is built.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant

Made it to #5 before

There were teams calling about trading for him before the deadline last year.

Teicher said they shouldn't trade him unless one of the teams offers something big. Iirc

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Suh has already stated he's going to the team that offers the most money.

He's gonna be a ****ing Raider.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BossChief

While I've included him the list of cuts in the past....I've rethought my stance on his contract. The guy is absolutely sick at pinning teams back and that is invaluable with a defense like this and the fact that we have a QB like Alex Smith running the offense.

We punt a lot and Dustin is a weapon in those situations.

You have to make sacrifices in order to make the KC into any sort of actual threat. Since the FO has decided to hitch their wagon to Smith, you're going to need to assemble a historically good defense and an offense that is just good enough to eat clock and scratch out field goals. That means you have to shell out for guys like Justin Houston and need a guy like Suh in addition to signing.. well, whomever would want to get pummeled by linebackers because the Chiefs only pass five yards through the air at a time.

Having a punter that's one of the highest paid in the league is a luxury. What he brings to the table is insignificant.

[BossChief]

I'd also add signing Vernon Davis to this thread if he gets cut...which he probably will.

I think he will cost less than 5/yr on a 2-3 year deal and having him and Kelce out there at the same time (along with a draft pick) would really give Alex Smith options.

Do that and use the draft to add a couple good receivers that get separation, a couple linemen to solidify the offensive line, 2 ILBs and get great value with the rest of the picks and this team can make a serious run at a title over the next few years.

[RunKC]

Please God no.

Poe is elite. Bailey was one of the better DLin the league last season. Jaye Howard looked very good this year (watch the Seahawks game if you don't believe me).
DeVito was a top 5 run stuffing DL in 2013 and I bet we could even bring him back this year at a significantly lower price.

We need that money for More than Houston. Sean Smith deserves an extension. He played at a near elite level this year.
Rodney Hudson needs to come back.

There is no way we can pay Suh $12-15 million and get all of our guys signed.

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Please God no.

Poe is elite. Bailey was one of the better DLin the league last season. Jaye Howard looked very good this year (watch the Seahawks game if you don't believe me).
DeVito was a top 5 run stuffing DL in 2013 and I bet we could even bring him back this year at a significantly lower price.

We need that money for More than Houston. Sean Smith deserves an extension. He played at a near elite level this year.
Rodney Hudson needs to come back.

There is no way we can pay Suh $12-15 million and get all of our guys signed.

This

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Please God no.

Poe is elite. Bailey was one of the better DLin the league last season. Jaye Howard looked very good this year (watch the Seahawks game if you don't believe me).
DeVito was a top 5 run stuffing DL in 2013 and I bet we could even bring him back this year at a significantly lower price.

We need that money for More than Houston. Sean Smith deserves an extension. He played at a near elite level this year.
Rodney Hudson needs to come back.

There is no way we can pay Suh $12-15 million and get all of our guys signed.

The cap will be at least 5 million higher than the current projections. Id put money down that it will be 146 and we currently have around 140 on the books.

We have 5 million to rollover from 2014. Maybe more depending on how much we are credited for Eric Berrys absence due to illness.

There is enough money if the hard cuts are made.